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James A. Robinson The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson (pictured) for their studies of global inequality. The comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) is visible in the western sky after sunset. The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to South Korean poet and novelist Han Kang. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: G. N. Saibaba Thomas J. Donohue Lilly Ledbetter Alex Salmond Amaury du Closel Fleur Adcock view — page history — related changes — edit

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October 16

Portal:Current events/2024 October 16
October 16, 2024 (2024-10-16) (Wednesday)

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2024 SCO summit (Heads of government)

Article: 2024 SCO summit (Heads of government) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The two-day summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization Council of Heads concluded in Islamabad, Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, VOA, Al Jazeera, DW, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Ainty Painty (talk) 07:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems like some run-of-the-mill summit to me. Nothing really noteworthy coming out of it nor that much mainstream coverage. Plus of course, the citations are missing publishers and accessdates. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

support it is far from a "run-of-the-mill" summit. That's just living in denial of a static geopolitical world order, particularly with 2024. Of course, that depends on the quality of the ARTICLE/UPDATE. Plenty has gone up without the referencing excuse.Sportsnut24 (talk) 07:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

October 15

Portal:Current events/2024 October 15

October 15, 2024 (2024-10-15) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Governor of Kharkiv Oblast Oleh Syniehubov orders the mandatory evacuation of all civilians from Kupiansk and Borova in Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Business and economy The United States Department of Transportation fines the German airline Lufthansa $4 million for its mistreatment of Orthodox Jewish passengers during a flight from New York to Hungary through Germany in 2022. (AP) Health and environment Climate change and food security in Africa The World Food Programme says that millions of people in southern African countries are facing a food crisis, with more than 21 million children currently malnourished. (Reuters) International relations Israel–Hamas war Israel–United States relations The Biden administration sends a letter to the Israeli government, urging it to take action to improve the humanitarian crisis in Gaza within 30 days. (CNN) Iran–European Union relations The European Union sanctions fourteen Iranian individuals and firms, including Iran Air and several high-ranking members of the Quds Force, for allegedly transferring missiles and drones to Moscow in order to help Russia in its invasion of Ukraine. (Al Jazeera) North Korea–South Korea relations North Korea announces that they have destroyed portions of an unused road that linked North Korea with South Korea. (AP) Philippines–United Arab Emirates relations Following a phone call with Emirati president Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed, Philippine president Bongbong Marcos confirms that 143 Filipinos in the United Arab Emirates have been pardoned by the Emirati government. (Philippine News Agency) Law and crime Highway 4 shooting A police officer is killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting on Highway 4 near Ashdod, Israel. The gunman is killed by a passing armed civilian. (Al Jazeera) (The Times of Israel) The Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network is designated as a terrorist group by the Canadian government and is sanctioned by the U.S. government, due to the group's alleged ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. (CTV News)

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(Ready) RD: Mike Jackson

Article: Mike Jackson (British Army officer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article is a FA. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. Featured article, influential person. -insert valid name here- (talk) 01:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Well written article and well cited. He deserves credit and recognition for backing Captain James Blunt refusing to follow the American order at Pristina airport, which averted the Third World War. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Atul Parchure

Article: Atul Parchure (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times Now Times of India Hindustan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Filmyworldwiki (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Well known Marathi and Hindi film and television actor, death has been acknowledged throughout the industry. Has a verifiability tag but should be resolved soon. TNM101 (chat) 13:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: George Negus

Article: George Negus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 04:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, not yet, sourcing could be improved. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 05:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, nationally iconic but also internationally relevant. Article is in good enough shape in my opinion. Daniel (talk) 13:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

October 14

Portal:Current events/2024 October 14

October 14, 2024 (2024-10-14) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon October 2024 Aitou airstrike At least 21 people are killed and eight others are injured when an Israeli airstrike hits an apartment building in the village of Aitou in northern Lebanon. (CTV News) The Israel Defense Forces say that they killed Muhammad Kamel Naim, the head of the anti-tank missile array of Hezbollah's elite Redwan Force, in an airstrike in Nabatieh, Lebanon. (Times of Israel) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least four people are killed and dozens of others are severely injured when an Israeli airstrike hits a tent camp at a hospital in Deir al-Balah in the Gaza Strip, causing the tents to catch fire. (Al Jazeera) At least ten people are killed by Israeli artillery fire at a food distribution centre in the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Southern Ukraine campaign Russian forces claim that they took the village of Levadne in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, Ukraine. (Voice of America) Business and economy Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences This year's Nobel Prize in economics is awarded to Turkish-American economist Daron Acemoglu, British-American economist Simon Johnson, and British economist James A. Robinson for their studies "of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity". (The New York Times) (Nobel Prize) Disasters and accidents Twelve people are killed and 33 others are injured when a bus carrying students from Galala University overturns in Al Galala, Suez Governorate, Egypt. (AP) One person is killed and 23 others are injured when an NJ Transit commuter rail train collides with a tree that had fallen onto the tracks in Mansfield Township, New Jersey, United States. (CTV News) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States Over 200 pro-Palestinian demonstrators against American involvement in Israeli attacks on civilians in the Gaza Strip, many from Jewish Voice for Peace, are arrested outside of the New York Stock Exchange for attempting to block it. (Reuters) The Papua New Guinea Defence Force shoot six people, killing one, during an operation against illegal mining near Porgera Gold Mine in Enga Province, Papua New Guinea. (BenarNews) Mexican National Guard finds the decapitated bodies of five men on a road in Ojuelos de Jalisco, Jalisco, Mexico. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology SpaceX launches NASA's Europa Clipper spacecraft from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, United States, to study Jupiter's moon Europa, with the spacecraft expected to arrive in April 2030. (BBC News)

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RD: Nadeem al-Wajidi

Article: Nadeem al-Wajidi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Millat Times Baseerat Online Amar Ujala The Inquilab
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian Islamic scholar. Khaatir (talk) 14:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support however I believe the list of the books should be trimmed but that's more of a cleanup thing. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 05:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Europa Clipper launches

Article: Europa Clipper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Europa Clipper probe is launched by NASA on a 6-year journey to the Jovian moon Europa. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Europa Clipper spacecraft is launched to investigate Europa, an icy moon of Jupiter
News source(s): CNN, Sky, Space.com
Credits:

• Nominated by Jone425 (talk · give credit)

Major interplanetary probe launch, and significant coverage from non-science focused sources. Seems to be getting a similar level of attention to Polaris Dawn, if not more. First orbital probe dedicated to exploring a single non-Earth moon. Jone425 (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This also should probably mention JUICE too. That said this was also an unremarkable launch (existing rocket, no hitches) and the probes won't get TO Jupiter until 2030, so maybe this isn't this time to post? Not sure. Masem (t) 22:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  JUICE launched last year, so I'm not entirely sure why it'd be mentioned here. As for waiting, that could be a good idea but this seems to be a fairly significant launch and lines up with previous ITN launch posts (JUICE being one of them). Jone425 (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Okay, I misread that these were launched at the same time, they're sorta joint missions to explore Jupiter and its all moons.
  And while we do normally wait for arrive at destination for ITNR, that's 6 years down the road so it could also be reasonable as a non-ITNR to post the launch as to highlight the mission, as we did for JUICE Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/April 2023. — Masem (t) 01:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  Worth noting that the "normal" is just "ITN/R criteria." The number of blue boxes I see indicates we do post plenty of ITN that isn't ITN/R. That said, I've continuously felt that the criteria list needs to stop shrinking (at this rate its arrival at Jupiter may no longer be ITN/R come 2030!) and could stand to add a few more, particularly "the successful departure of any spacecraft to a destination beyond the Earth-Moon system." Over the past 5 years there have been just 9 such launches; 5 to asteroids, (3 NEO, 2 main belt/beyond) 3 to Mars, and 2 to Jupiter; given the limited launch windows, those Mars launches were close enough to each other we could usually roll them into one FP item, too. Nottheking (talk) 22:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, in your face Arthur C. Clarke. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support Very important mission, and largest interplanetary mission built by NASA. Elios Peredhel (talk) 23:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article in good shape. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Obviously a very notable event, why isn't this ITNR? - azpineapple | ^T/_C 01:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
  • It's ITNR at arrival, just not automatically posted at launch. —Cryptic 05:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Europa is going to get some well-deserved scrutiny, it appears. Jusdafax (talk) 02:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support major probe. Scuba 04:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good, very notable and prevalent in the news Hungry403 (talk) 05:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - but there's problems with the blurb. The blurb currently says "on a 6-year mission to the Jovian moon". The flight to Europa is 5.5 years, but I believe the mission at Europa is at least 4 years. Perhaps the blurb should say "on a 6-year flight ..." Nfitz (talk) 05:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  Swapped 'mission' out in favour of 'journey', but I can change it to 'flight' if that's more appropriate. Jone425 (talk) 07:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The launch seems unremarkable compared to the Starship catch and ITN is only running three blurbs currently. The real challenge for this mission is the intense radiation at the destination -- see Vulnerable transistors... We'll just have to wait and see how that goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  There's no mention of the launcher in the blurb, and only a fleeting reference in the target article. It's the spacecraft that's notable here. Nfitz (talk) 17:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  There's no mention of the launcher in my comment either. The event here is the "launch" and both blurbs use the verb to indicate this. The relevant section of the article has zero prose about the event and, instead has a lot of stuff about might-have-beens and also uses the future tense repeatedly. This is an inadequate update for what we'd be reporting here.

  Editors seem to be supporting this because they think it's a potentially important mission, not because we have a good report on something that has happened. Whether the mission turns out to be significant will not be known for years and it might never happen. That's why ITN/R recommends posting on arrival rather than departure. See WP:CRYSTAL.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Hungry403. Double sharp (talk) 10:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support. Major mission and the article is in decent shape. However there isn't much in the way of updates, just a statement that it launched. Yesterday I removed two entire sections that were many years out of date, and refrained from nominating because of the limited update. Several parts of the text are still in past tense or refer to potential future launch dates, not the actual one. This certainly should be posted, but I would prefer it if the other outdated statements were fixed. Altblurb added. Modest Genius ^talk 11:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose we've already established via many people's opinions of the Starship launch and catch that most users here think even revolutionary rocket catches out of mid-air are not significant. This is significantly less significant and in the news than a single run of the mill rocket launch such as the one that launched Europa Clipper. Ergzay (talk) 12:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  The importance here is the spacecraft and where it is going, not the launcher. Modest Genius ^talk 13:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  When the spacecraft reaches it's destination and missions is accomplished then we can blurb about it. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  The spacecraft hasn't achieved anything though. No discoveries made. That comes in 2030 when it arrives. Ergzay (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. It is a major interplanetary mission and it is being covered by WP:RS as a major interplanetary mission. The altblurb is fine. Nsk92 (talk) 16:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Point of order: say eg "Jupiter's moon" not "Jovian" in a blurb, the avg person-on-street doesn't know what that means (no they don't ask them if you don't believe me you are the outlier not them) --Slowking Man (talk) 16:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The largest, heaviest, and most expensive interplanetary craft ever built. It is going to a place of extremely high astrobiological interest and has a fair chance of detecting life. If this doesn't deserve a blurb, then nothing relating to uncrewed spaceflight ever will. Agile Jello (talk) 16:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Both the Starship flight and this are extremely notable events in spaceflight and should be blurbed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, per all above. Altblurb is better IMO. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Altblurb While not ITN/R, the successful departure of a mission to an interplanetary voyage is an incredibly rare and notable thing, with just 9 across the past 5 years... And the Outer solar system is rarer still, with just 11 missions launched across the past 51 years. (all missions that have gone past Jupiter have flown by Jupiter as well)

It's ITN/R when it arrives (assuming editors don't strip all spaceflight criteria from ITN/R by then...) but that won't be until 2030. Obviously this departure will have long-since fallen off of the front page by then!

That said, maybe the AltBlurb could do without the first comma in it. Nottheking (talk) 22:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the comma. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: at this moment, it is just another rocket launch. It's significance will be once it carries out its intended mission.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 22:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support due to the immense scientific interest in Europa as or right now. The outcomes of this mission - sea or not - will almost certainly be very impactful. I'd like a blurb that better explains this, if possible. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:55, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Added image for the launch from the page itself. Elios Peredhel (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Thomas J. Donohue

Article: Thomas J. Donohue (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Axios
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomcom. Nothing of note is wrong with the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Economics

Articles: Daron Acemoglu (talk · history · tag) and Simon Johnson (economist) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their studies "of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their studies of global inequality.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their studies of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity.
News source(s): The New York Times Noble Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Both Johnson's, and Robinson's article are not ready and need some work. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think the articles are good enough. If one needs work it's the Acemoglu's. It's a big article thank god and but theres some low quality stuff there like turkish users that keep adding his high school to his "school of thought" category in the infobox 🤦‍♂️ P.S. added another alt blurb without the quotes since it's a verbatim citation that doesnt need quotes IMO Kasperquickly (talk) 14:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Almost there but not yet there Johnson article is missing references and Robinson article still has a banner above it.--ReyHahn (talk) 16:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, not a true Nobel. 2804:388:4101:7F22:1:0:2B66:205B (talk) 17:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  This is an ITNR item, so the importance is not in doubt. We're only assessing the updates and article quality. Modest Genius ^talk 18:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Acemoglu's article is in very good shape. Johnson's article is bit light but does meet our minimum requirements. Robinson's is somewhere in between but also good enough to post - the tag is yellow level, which does not disqualify from ITN (only orange and red tags do). I do question what sort of 'institutions' are being referred to in the blurb - could that be clarified? Modest Genius ^talk 18:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Blurb2 seems to be the way to go.--ReyHahn (talk) 18:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Modest Genius: You're raising a great question on what sort of 'institutions' are being referred to. After taking a quick look at some of the articles, it seems like 'Institutions' is the right target article as it contains a few sentences in which the work of the three authors is explained in the context of how institutions contribute to economic growth (see ... Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson agree with the analysis presented by North. They write that institutions play a crucial role in the trajectory of economic growth because economic institutions shape the opportunities and constraints of investment.[15] Economic incentives also shape political behavior, as certain groups receive more advantages from economic outcomes than others, which allow them to gain political control. A separate paper by Acemoglu, Robinson, and Francisco A. Gallego details the relationships between institutions, human capital, and economic development. They argue that there institutions set an equal playing field for competition, making institutional strength a key factor in economic growth...). Linking to institutional economics would be inappropriate as the field is much broader, and the article does not even mention any of the authors (in fact, their work falls within development economics instead).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Articles look good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• All three biographies have unreferenced paragraphs. Stephen 22:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose articles are NOT updated. Just the one line in the lead.

update Acemoglu's article is updated a bit more, although could further update.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posting. All articles are in a good shape. For awards, there is only as much as can be said without going into excessive details, so it is fine. --Tone 09:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Tone: I don't think the choice of the blurb was right. We usually use the wording in the statement of the Nobel Committee, which is 'for studies of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity'. There's no notion of 'research on global inequality', and this is largely original research by The New York Times.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

October 13

Portal:Current events/2024 October 13

October 13, 2024 (2024-10-13) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israeli attack on Ramyah UNIFIL post Two Israel Defense Forces Merkava tanks forcibly enter a UNIFIL base in Ramyah, Bint Jbeil District, Lebanon. The tanks fire rounds at the base, injuring fifteen United Nations peacekeepers. (BBC News) Israeli airstrikes destroy an Ottoman-era market in Nabatieh, Lebanon, killing at least one person and injuring four others. (AP) 2024 Hezbollah drone strike on Binyamina Four Israeli soldiers are killed and 61 others are injured in a Hezbollah drone strike on Binyamina-Giv'at Ada, Israel. (Times of Israel) Israel–Hamas war United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin authorizes the deployment of a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense missile defense system to Israel to help boost the country's air defences. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) An Israeli attack on a school used to shelter displaced Palestinians kills at least 22 people, including fifteen children, in the Nuseirat refugee camp in northern Gaza. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy states that North Korean troops have been deployed to Ukraine to fight alongside the Russian military. (Reuters) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum, October 2024 Sudan airstrikes At least 23 people are killed and 40 others are injured in a Sudanese Armed Forces airstrike on a marketplace in an area of Khartoum, Sudan, currently controlled by the Rapid Support Forces. (DW) Disasters and accidents Two people are killed and 20 others are injured in a train collision in Minya Governorate, Egypt. (Al Ahram) Politics and elections 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election Lithuanians vote in the first round of elections to elect the 141 members of the Seimas. (AP) 2024 Macanese Chief Executive election Sam Hou Fai is elected as the new Chief Executive of Macau by the Election Committee, succeeding Ho Iat Seng. (Reuters) Science and technology Starship flight test 5 SpaceX completes its fifth test flight of the Starship spacecraft, successfully catching the rocket booster with the arms of the launch tower at Starbase in Texas, United States, and with the spacecraft landing in the Indian Ocean. (Space.com) (CNBC) Sports 2024 Chicago Marathon Kenyan runner Ruth Chepng'etich breaks the world record for women's marathon by 1 minute and 57 seconds at the Chicago Marathon. (AP)

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RD: Donald J. Hall

Article: Donald J. Hall Sr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KSHB
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Engineerchange (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chvy350sb (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Well-known Hallmark executive. --Engineerchange (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

New marathon world record for women

Article: Ruth Chepng'etich (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In women's marathon, Ruth Chepng'etich (pictured) sets a new world record with a time of 2:09:56 to become the first woman to break the 2:10 barriers. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kenyan Ruth Chepng'etich breaks the women's marathon world record at the Chicago Marathon.
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)

UCinternational (talk) 11:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose And dont even get me started how everyone knows that these no skill pure performance sports have been dominated by doping since the early 1960s Kasperquickly (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment/Support When I heard the record was broken, it's not as though I expected it to be by 50%... Bitspectator ⛩️ 13:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Incorrect information, almost 2 (two) minutes faster, not 34 seconds! Randy Kryn (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

    And even if it was 34 seconds, so what? It's still the fastest a woman has run a marathon in history. nableezy - 15:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

    Yep, I've accidentally looked at the men's section of the world records article as opposed to the women's (Kenyan names are hard for me like that)

    Still I dont think this deserves posting. Going by that same article ,the previous record in the same category has been set up just half a year ago. The one before that was achieved half a year before that. And the one before that 4 years before. And this is just for the records in that one particular (maraphon) type of race just for people identifying as women. Why stop there? Let's start posting 100 meter and 200 meter races. For men. And women. And also all the other records in all the other sports. And this page would be nothing but a continuous tally of world records in frisbie throwing and horse football and base jumping. In addition to the all important parliamentary elections in sealand and micronesia. Kasperquickly (talk) 15:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

    Im pretty sure a new world record in the 100m race would get posted pretty quickly. Maybe even in record time. nableezy - 18:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - but add at the Chicago Marathon to the blurb. nableezy - 12:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, almost two minutes off the previous record is a huge increase, almost two minutes faster than all of the other women who ever ran the distance. Add Chicago Marathon and nationality to the blurb. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Since she broke the previous world record by nearly two minutes rather than 34 seconds as mentioned above. Both the record article and the bolded article are in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Support broke it by a considerable margin. Scuba 15:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support add the Chicago Marathon and Kenyan nationality in the blurb. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Theoretically support the alt blurb since this is an important record, but oppose on quality for now since Chepng'etich's article needs more references. The alt blurb is based on the blurb that was used when Tigist Assefa previously set the world record. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Support This is a huge milestone in women's sports. Rager7 (talk) 21:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 21:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment The ALT blurb is similar to the format used for the last 2013 posting.—Bagumba (talk) 04:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb. Breaking a major world record, and the linked article is of good quality. -insert valid name here- (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Donal Murray

Article: Donal Murray (bishop) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Examiner
Credits:

• Nominated by 139.164.154.34 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ButcherStreet (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Tristan 24 février 2011 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 07:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Almost ready article is fine except for the DOB is no entirely sourced as the source given for it only mentions the year and not the date or a month. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Starship Flight 5

Article: Starship flight test 5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX successfully catches the Super Heavy booster on the launchpad during Starship flight 5. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

One of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history, and one of the most amazing and incredible spaceflights ever. It's hard to understate just how significant this is for the future of space exploration. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support for inherent significance. This will be in engineering textbooks for decades to come. WhatisMars (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as an incredible engineering feat that is pivotal for human colonization of space. Quite literally no one has returned a booster stage to earth in one piece before today. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  You might mean two stages :D WhatisMars (talk) 12:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Let’s go! Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Starship has successfully landed off the coast of Australia. This is the first fully successful test flight of Starship PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Many firsts were achieved with this specific launch and landing/booster catch. Kind of an understatement but this mission was truly historic, and is important to note as groundbreaking while it’s still newsworthy. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Not thrilled with the huge table to outline the detail of the flight. There are a few key events, but we don't need it to that level. --Masem (t) 13:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, I wonder if there is a way to collapse groups of table rows into significant milestone fold outs. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

This is more a case to just cut it down to a few key points into prose, like the time it launched, the time it was caught, etc, those noted by independent sources. — Masem (t) 16:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The enthusiasm of the nominator got me curious, but as someone who hasn't been following SpaceX, this article is difficult to understand. It doesn't clearly explain what the "catch" actually was and how it worked. The Orbital Launch Mount Tower A seems important, but that link in the lead takes me to an article about the whole starbase, which doesn't help much. Zagalejo (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah I think the article needs a section on the actual objectives of catching the booster and its significance for the future PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed, most readers won't have a clue what this is about Kowal2701 (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not disputing the article prob needs work: link to Auntie Beeb is to the point. First rocket stage makes roundtrip back where it came from, tower thingy plays game of catch with it Slowking Man (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Caught the booster at the pad. Scuba 14:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Another spaceflight, another ITN nomination. Clearly a great engineering feat but personally I don't see these unmanned space flight achievements as being up to the required level for ITN. Nigej (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

There should be a separation between Elon Musk's statement and SpaceX's actions. In this case, this is objectively a new milestone in spaceflight because this demostrated that both of the rocket's stages can be reused, making the entirety of the rocket reusable, and is a prime goal of the Starship development program. WhatisMars (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

A new milestone would be sending someone to Mars. I'd support ITN for that. Nigej (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

That goes without saying, but we have three Nobel prize winners in ITN, an event that happens without fail every single year and isn't especially newsworthy. It's also something that basically no news media agencies cover. It's clear that the bar for getting into ITN is exceedingly low. Ergzay (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

In what nation, User:Ergzay, do the media not cover the Nobels? The news has been full of it lately around here watching local and international channels - the local papers too. Nfitz (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

America for one. Google searching for just "nobel prize" I find some minor articles buried. Whereas this spaceX landing is listed as a top news item on both CNN, and Fox News on their front pages, neither of which mentions any nobel prizes. Also I'd note that each nobel prize award got its own separate entry rather than simply combining them. Most of the ITN section is now about nobel prizes. Ergzay (talk) 22:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Which part of Americas? I see articles from Canada, the USA, and Brazil. one, two, three. Lots of other examples in each nomination as well. Nfitz (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Articles exist, my point was they are not prominent. But anyway, Nobel Prizes have a special exception to the normal rules for ITN content. So even if they wouldn't normally be posted they're posted anyway. Ergzay (talk) 01:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It's proof of concept for a more efficient space program. So what? It's no more ITN worthy than every last incremental press-release-worthy improvement out there, whether in controlled fusion, desert reclamation, particle colliders, quantum computing, skyscraper building, telescope power, dark matter detection, and so on and so on. The same level of technological breakthrough would have justified at least two dozen James Webb Space Telescope ITN postings and at least one or two a year ongoing improvements to the various gravitational wave telescopes out there. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  You describe small incremental changes yet dismiss this as only a small incremental improvement when it's unprecedented in the history of spaceflight. Minor discoveries by JWST which are a dime a dozen is not this. Ergzay (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  I was not talking about minor discoveries by JWST (which, by the way, has a good number of major discoveries to boot). I am talking about the astonishing engineering breakthroughs needed to get the JWST to work. The cryocooler, the gold-coated beryllium mirrors, the five layer sunshield, all were completely unprecedented. And LIGO's custom giant mirrors, quantum squeezing, ultra precise lasers, and so much more, have all have been major triumphs of cutting edge physics and engineering. But as they can't be boiled down to a geewhiz video, they are easy to disparage by someone who thinks I was just talking about "minor discoveries". I wasn't. Every one of those developments, and dozens more, in those two projects alone (and across numerous technologies that I gave a very very short list) has been unprecedented and utterly astonishing. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There will never be a time in history, other than today, where the first stage of a rocket booster is caught for the initial first time. Also, JWST was blurbed when it launched, and when it delivered its first imagery. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  What was astonishing about JWST was not its engineering breakthroughs but how much it cost. Cryocoolers are standard things that exist in industry, gold plating of metals is also nothing special, the sunshield was made of mylar a common material. So no, nothing there is unprecedented. Ergzay (talk) 22:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think the point they were getting at was more: right, now how many of those have been stuffed in a rocket, sent up to L2, then unfolded by computer control, and the instruments incl. mirror cooled and kept at 40 K? Then started snapping pics? In fact one instrument has to be kept at 7 K. Note beryllium is quite brittle, and the mirror itself had to be unfolded! Also the shield has to help keep the stuff that way not only from the Sun but the Earth and Moon which are still much hotter and radiate lots of photons that heat the scope. (Crash thermo 101 review heat goes hotter -> colder also energy = conserved, always has to go somewhere) Note also vacuum is a perfect insulator (think Thermos) so the cryo has to work by boiling off coolant into space, to exhaust the heat somewhere, no air to convect heat away. (All space tin cans w/ onboard bipedal monkeys have to too, ISS uses ammonia)
  
  

  For a little perspective: Total lifetime JWST cost projection: $9.7 bil in 2021$, adj to 2023$: $10.8 billion. Using {{inflation}}, nothin up my sleeve here. A smidge >1% of yearly US military spending in 2023 (and/or Medicare, which is slightly higher). (Take note of how often in discourse "cost" is invoked for things like science, vs how often for The Troops™ or for cops) ~3% 2023 US spending on "non-alcoholic drinks" ($328 bil, source internets). Not tap water, this is all drinks sold @ retail excl. booze. (Imagine putting a 1% soda tax on sugared drinks only—things that are not only completely unnecessary but actively terrible for public health—for health & science research! Let's not even get started on booze) .04% 2022 US GDP. Slowking Man (talk) 17:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  There is a reason JWST cost such an incredible amount (and was delayed for such a long long time). Multiple engineering breakthroughs that had to be discovered, tested, developed, invented, and then tested again. (And again and again because it was space.) The MIRI cryocooler had to get down to single digit kelvins. It uses an incredible thermoacoustic system custom invented for JWST, not some off-the-shelf industry standard. The mirrors were made out of beryllium (not standard) and then gold plated (yes, atomic vapor plating is standard) to an incredible precision (not stanard), and then aligned and adjusted after deployment (extremely not standard). The sunshield was a tennis court sized five layer shield, specially coated, specially spaced, so that excess heat would be steered out the gaps, and then it had to be folded up before launch and unfolded just so after launch. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 18:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  We've had cryocoolers that do way below single digit kelvins for many decades. (There's black and white videos of liquified helium from way back.) Casting/machining things out of beryllium has been done before. Precision of machining is based on your tools so that is also standard. You're arguing that the spacing of a piece of metalized plastic is an engineering breakthrough? It didn't even have to be precise (that's why the spaces were visibly large to make up for the creases/crinkles in the material). Ergzay (talk) 12:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  (This is going off into sidetrack but space is a much more hostile environment from a nice comfortable lab, everything has to withstand launch stresses, the "cold soak" and often constant warming-cooling cycles, radiation (how many labs are located entirely at the business end of a running particle accelerator), as-hard-as-it-gets vacuum. Also you would like to be able to point the scope at diff things, also also want to minimize vibrations (will mess up observations). On JWST they used a gyro w/out moving parts b/c Hubble's kept wearing out and failing. Also all needs to be light as possible, launching mass costs $$$ but still mounted on a single structure that can bear all load stresses --Slowking Man (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC))

  And to boot, the MIRI cryocooler is intended to last at least five years, and preferably twenty or so, without human or even robot intervention. All in all, User:Ergzay, your comments are simply nuisance and noise, focusing on things well-known and dead-easy that had to be re-imagined and redeveloped in order to be used on the JWST, and then pointing out the completely obvious well-known dead-easy parts and pretending there was no need for actual breakthroughs to go beyond what was already known. One as might as well say this launch was no big deal because heck, I once caught a toy rocket using a butterfly net as a kid. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Major breakthrough with the booster catch (a first). Huge step forwards towards fully reusable rockets. 174.112.0.237 (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Needs work As an engineering milestone, it's more impressive than Boeing's Starliner snafu. But the article's lead devotes most of its space to a spat with the FAA and seems to need re-balancing now. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: not sure why every single advancement in spaceflight needs to be blurbed. 128.91.40.237 said it best.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  This is not just a "advancement". It's a landmark event in the history of spaceflight. Ergzay (talk) 21:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Semantics. And WP:PUFFERY. And WP:BLUDGEON. The most generous description by the New York Times is "a feat of technical wizardry". CNN's highest praise was "its most ambitious Starship test flight yet". Associated Press called it an "engineering feat" and "boldest test flight yet". Reuters called it "another novel engineering feat". These are descriptions worthy of DYK, not ITN.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 00:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  That's a cringe statement. 130.245.192.6 (talk) 02:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm sorry, I'm not following. Are you arguing that because the media is hyping it too much that that somehow makes ineligible for inclusion in the ITN section? If so I really don't understand the purpose of the ITN section. Is it not supposed to cover things that are notable and "in the news"? I cannot find your criteria anywhere in the ITN rules. Ergzay (talk) 12:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  I am saying that it is one remarkable step among many on a long path, but it gets ridiculously disproportionate hype, between "space" and "Musk". The press release hype does not belong in this discussion, but it's what we get right from the beginning: "One of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history" from the nominator. Rank balderdash. "This will be in engineering textbooks for decades to come" from the first comment. Silly piffle. But this wildly exaggerated hype is supposed to be a reason to support. Remove it, and you're left with mildly interesting development, whose value will be determined way down the line from now when actually interesting spaceflights occur. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 18:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Fully and rapidly reusable rockets would be one of the biggest advances in human history (by making large-scale space access affordable) and the first-ever booster catch is a major step towards that. I'm sure it will be in engineering textbooks decades from now. 174.112.0.237 (talk) 02:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  The significance of this event has absolutely nothing to do with "Musk". I dislike the man plenty myself (even if I used to like him). This is not "press release hype". It's the widely believed opinion of basically everyone in the industry. And yes it is absolutely one of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history and hes it absolutely will be in engineering textbooks for years to come. Why would you remove it other than "I don't like it"? Ergzay (talk) 12:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  No, I'm saying that not even these reliable sources are calling this some sort of landmark achievement in science and engineering. I'm saying the media isn't hyping it enough. Most of their descriptions are essentially "whoa this is neat".  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 20:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think your own source stating "a feat of technical wizardy" is a bit beyond "whoa this is neat". And necessarily a journalist is not an engineer. Ergzay (talk) 12:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  It is a bit beyond. But only a bit. It is far far short of the ludicrous, ridiculous, exaggerated hype we are getting here for Support. As in, no it is not "one of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history". I'll concede maybe in all of 2024. And it will not be in "engineering textbooks" whatsoever, except maybe a photo or something, whatever strikes the textbook publisher's hype department's fancy. For the most obvious of reasons: the textbook is about the basics of the subject. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment One thing to remember, is that this test program is iterative. On each flight they plan to do a bit more. This is the 5th test flight. We did blurb Starship flight test 1, where both the stage 1 booster and stage 2 Starship spacecraft blew up after launch. The next 3 flights were also nominated. I would have thought that both Starship flight test 3 and Starship flight test 4 would have been possibly significant enough to blurb. In test flight 3, the booster exploded prematurely, but not before releasing the Starship spacecraft which did finally make it to space before exploding on re-entry. In test flight 4 both the booster and spacecraft successfully soft-landed in the ocean. For today's flight, the advances were that the booster sucessfully landed for the first time (with the capture by the launch tower) and the spacecraft soft-landing was more accurate, with less heat damage to the spacecraft. It seems to me that after the flight 1, the first sucessful launch (flight 3) was the most significant, followed by the first successful soft-landings (flight 4). So if those weren't blurbed, this shouldn't be either.

But at the same time, what is the line? The first successful landing on land (or ship) of the Starship spacecraft? The first orbital flight (those so far have been sub-orbital)? The first crewed flight (maybe Polaris-3?)? The first test landing attempt of Starship HLS on the Moon? The first test landing attempt on Mars? The first successful flight to lunar NHRO? The first Artemis 3 propellant flight? The launch of the Artemis 3 Starship HLS? There's many, many steps to this - and that doesn't include the obvious ITN items relating to the crewed portion of Artemis 3 moonshot. Perhaps we should lay out what these steps are in ITN/R so we don't have these last-minute discussions, where many don't appear to be fully aware of what is actually being done, or what the significance of an individual flight is. Nfitz (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll also note that many people who oppose these posts don't seem to even understand what is significant int spaceflight and what is insignificant. Like in the previous nomination several people mentioned making it to orbit as being significant and landing Starship being less significant versus that. That showed a clear lack of understanding of the subject matter on what is and what is not significant. Ergzay (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

It's all just so otherworldly. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Speak for yourself. (As in, your comments, while meant to clarify, are borderline personal attacks.) I oppose (strongly). And I also agree this was a spectacular, significant development for spaceflight. But I am not one of those people who think a play-by-play on the ongoing greatest moments in the development of spaceflight is all that ITN-worthy. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

No one is arguing for a play-by-play. But if an event happens that has never happened before in history, do you not consider that sufficiently "in the news"? Ergzay (talk) 22:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The argument for test flight 2 being blurbed is that because less engines failed, it once again was the most powerful launch. In a program like this, isn't every flight something that has never happened before in history? Tomorrow SpaceX launches the largest interplantery probe ever built; do we blurb that? 2 hours after that SpaceX will land Crew-8 after it's record-breaking 7-month spacelight to the ISS - never before has a 4-person flight (or an American flight) lasted this long. Nfitz (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

That argument for test flight 2 is a pretty poor one. It's still the same rocket. It gaining some thrust to make it again the most powerful is not notable. The rocket will be making further upgrades in the future to increase thrust further, also not notable. I'm not sufficiently knowledgable to know if you're making a correct statement that Europa Clipper is the largest interplanetary probe ever built. Even if that was the case however, I would not blurb about the launch. I would blurb about its arrival to Jupiter however. As the blurb would focus on the science it will do. It's launch isn't notable until it's actually capable of doing the mission. If a disaster occurred however I would blurb about it. Crew-8 as the number implies is just another crew rotation, nothing notable there. Ergzay (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Will landing Starship be significant User:Ergzay? It certainly won't be the first spacecraft to land - they've been doing that since the 1960s. It won't be the first reusable spacecraft to land. And it won't be the first to land on legs. I'd argue that making it to orbit, and the booster landing in this novel way would be more significant. Nfitz (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Landing the Starship upper stage would be significant yes, but we're over a year a way from that at least. To make a comparison, it would be at least equivalent to the first landing of the Space Shuttle, though likely even more important than that. There's only one orbital rocket in history that's landed vertically before, Falcon 9, and we definitely put that in the news section (assuming we had that section back then).

Making it to orbit is not at all significant, almost to the point of irrelevance. The vehicle already has the performance to do so. They've simply been refraining from doing so. I would oppose any attempt to put an in the news segment for a Starship reaching orbit, similarly for it releasing its first payload into orbit. The notable events coming up that I see deserving of being in this section is, this grab with the chopsticks, a future grab with the chopsticks of the Starship upper stage, the first landing on the moon of Starship, and the first landing on the moon with humans. Ergzay (talk) 22:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

IMO the first ship landing will be notable, first manned flight will be notable, first HLS lunar landing will be notable, of course the Artemis missions will be, and if the unmanned Mars missions go ahead in 2 years I could see that meeting the threshold PrecariousWorlds (talk) 04:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support but the article needs a bit more work still to reflect current events. It's still too focused on the FAA fiasco before the launch. Maybe wait a couple days before adding this as an in the news event. Ergzay (talk) 21:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom and above supporters. Jusdafax (talk) 03:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nfitz, Bait30, and Nigej, another SpaceX test flight. Most if not all of these test flights are testing new capabilities, as SpaceX works on a software-style iterative process, so they may be "firsts", but don't feel they are especially significant. When Starship gets to the moon, that is newsworthy as a new moon landing. For now, this is just a cool feat. Natg 19 (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I've not opposed this, User:Natg 19. I've been discussing it and asking questions. I've come to the conclusion that this is ITN, and not just another SpaceX test flight. And not just another rocket to land after launch - and this one is absolutely massive, the biggest in history - far more powerful than a Saturn V. And the capture technique is completely novel. Nfitz (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for my mischaracterization, struck that. Natg 19 (talk) 21:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - We don't need a steady drip feed of updates about this project. The amount of puffery surrounding it is quite unreasonable. The technical achievements are impressive, but attempts to spin each individual test as a revolutionary advance in space flight run rapidly into the field of excessively specific superlatives. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm sorry but you really do not understand the significance here. This landing was absolutely a revolutionary advancement in spaceflight. There is no "spin" here. It's really evident that there's an overall lack of education on spaceflight matters on the general side of Wikipedia. Nothing like this has ever been achieved in the history of humanity. This is not "puffery". This article is a reasonable post describing the significance. Ergzay (talk) 12:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose like all the other partial test flights. As I've commented on the previous nominations, if/when Starship successfully puts a genuine payload into orbit we should post. Not each incremental improvement in the test flights. SpaceX is getting there, which is good for them, but it's not an operating launch vehicle yet. Modest Genius ^talk 12:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  But putting a payload in orbit is NOT significant... This flight was not "incremental". It was revolutionary. I would be against putting the flight where they achieve orbit in ITN because that is not notable. Ergzay (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  What a bizarre view of significance. You don't think it's important for a orbital launch vehicle to actually launch something useful to orbit? A photogenic booster landing is all very well, but Starship hasn't achieved its purpose yet. It's still a work in progress, and ITN shouldn't post each step of that progress, only when the goal is actually achieved. Modest Genius ^talk 15:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Boeing's Starliner mission ultimately failed, yet we still blurbed the launch. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Nonsense. Starliner successfully transported two astronauts to the ISS, at which point it was posted in ITN. That they didn't use the same spacecraft to come down again is irrelevant, especially as that was months later than the nomination. Starship hasn't successfully launched anything yet. Modest Genius ^talk 15:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  The significance is that this is a landmark event in the history of spaceflight. A single in-development rocket reaching orbit is a development milestone but not a significant event for history. This catch of a rocket out of midair is something most people thought impossible but was achieved. It's also the largest rocket in history, twice the thrust of the Saturn V rocket that took humans to the moon, yet it's first stage was caught out of mid air. The thing is 9 meters wide and 70 meters long. It's the size of a ~20 story building.

  The rocket is already capable of orbit (it had significant visible fuel reserves left, but shut down early to avoid going into orbit). So reaching orbit is just about reaching a confidence point that they're sure they can get it back out of orbit and not leave the largest ever piece of space debris in orbit and also a regulatory point to be allowed to do so.Ergzay (talk) 12:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per support comments above. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all the opposing opinions expressed above. This is just an another nomination of SpaceX flight be touted as the "first time in the history to do (...)". We have already have posted many stories about this company's flights and I don't think we should it anymore unless something really Big happens in the future. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The booster catch is one such "something really big" event and should be posted. 174.112.0.237 (talk) 14:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

This achievement actually is a really big deal. It's easy to become disillusioned with all the partisan politics surrounding Musk, but the fact is we've witnessed history being made. Reusable large first-stage boosters are the predecessor to putting payloads into space being economical (at scale). We aren't getting off this planet without reusable launch systems. I'd encourage folks to put Musk's politics aside and perhaps read this article. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

No one is "getting off this planet" ever except maybe to do some dangerous work like research and mining, prob a lot of it on one-way trips. You can already get a good simulation of a place like the Moon or Mars: it's called Antarctica or the ocean floor. For better realism, you must also carry your closed atmosphere around, have a running particle accelerator pointed at you at all times, and rely on only infrequent resupply stuff & no such thing as "emergency evac". Get some nasty trauma, DVT cardiac arrhythmia cancer autoimmune thing mental/psych w/ev yall are handling it w/what you got, no one is coming to rescue you. What's your training look like for "one of your crew develops bipolar type I, tries to take over as dictator and tries to kill anyone who resists"?

And this is still "easy mode" haven't even turned down the grav yet, how do osteoporosis & muscle wasting sound? Go ahead and book a trip to those places no one is stopping you Slowking Man (talk) 17:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Exactly how was "history made?" This wasn't the first time a vehicle was propulsively recovered in a vertical landing; after all, SpaceX has done that over 300 times already. (and even that wasn't the first time it was done) It wasn't the first propulsive recovery of a vehicle in the Starship program either; they've accomplished that with the upper stage already. The only way it's a "first" is to heavily qualify it, as the first ever vertical recovery via a method they invented just for this program. This is equivalent to saying "This is the first time anyone has changed the channel on television using my new invention, the 'Fing-longer'."

The claims to Starship being a "big deal" hinge upon its long, long-term claims that it will "Colonize Mars." While that objective would most certainly be newsworthy, this particular accomplishment hardly finishes proving it'll be a success & they have all the difficult steps out of the way... And the overall results of the mission have cast further doubt on that ever happening... So to act like this is "making history" based upon it fulfilling that far-off dream would be premature, and as would posting it to ITN. Nottheking (talk) 20:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Starship is a "big deal" because of its extremely low cost of payload to orbit, not that it will eventually assist in colonizing Mars. That cost is estimated in various sources as dropping the cost of payload to orbit by one or two orders of magnitude enabling all manner of things like holidaying in low earth orbit for the price of an expensive cruise and entirely revolutionizing the space economy. Starlink now having 6000+ satellites in orbit is the tip of the iceberg here. And yes if you can get things to orbit cheaply you can go out and explore the moon, Mars and other celestial objects as well for dirt cheap compared to current prices, and maybe eventually colonize Mars. One of the _key_ questions about the entire vehicle though was whether it could be recovered via this completely outlandish recovery system. So yes it's making history. Ergzay (talk) 05:55, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue that this is, as you said, a really big story. Scuba 15:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support After discussing this I've come to the conclusion that this is ITN, and not just another SpaceX test flight. This rocket is monstrously huge - the biggest ever, far bigger than Saturn V. Making this rocket reusable changes spaceflight forever. And then there's the completely new and incredible way of it landing - being caught in mid-air by something akin to chopsticks, rather than ever touching the ground. There's significant international coverage - it's even on the top of the fold this morning in the biggest national paper here. Nfitz (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Theoretically support since this seems like an important accomplishment, but oppose for now since the article's body needs more prose about the flight & the catch. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  I agree on the article needing more improvement I already rewrote the header. The article already existed before the launch so it was mostly dedicated to chronicling events leading up to the launch. Editors welcome. Ergzay (talk) 13:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment Catching the booster is a very important accomplishment, but the article needs more prose about the actual flight (2 sentences and a table isn't enough). Otherwise, might be a good candidate for ITN

IMO, notable Starship flights for ITN are: first ship catch, first ship to ship prop transfer, HLS demo, Crew Starship. Stoplookin9 Hey there! Send me a message! 02:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Successful test flights really aren't especially ITN-noteworthy. Apollo 9 was an extremely important test flight in the lunar program, but it was not the Moon landing -- in fact, it didn't even leave Earth orbit, let alone go to the Moon. Similarly, we should have care to address an iterative program such as Starship based on the actual landmark achievements and not the technical ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaltCip (talk • contribs) 14:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. People opposing this are failing to understand the significance of this flight. This is the largest and most ambitious rocket ever flown, and if it works as intended it will completely revolutionize spaceflight and even humanity as a whole. This flight basically validated the design of the rocket and provided us with one of the most impressive feats of engineering ever seen. Agile Jello (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  • You said it yourself: if it works as intended. Whether it ever will is something there's been legitimate doubt about, (Elon Musk has already confessed that the payload claims are out of reach, and it appears on top of carrying less than Falcon Heavy, it's slower & more expensive too) so celebrating it as the success now would be premature. If it actually makes a successful orbital mission & turnaround that proves those lofty claims as anything more than hypberbole? Then yes, that'd actually merit being newsworthy. Nottheking (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

    Elon Musk did not confess that the payload claims were out of reach. And no reputable source has ever claimed it will carry less than Falcon Heavy. The "if" in the previous poster's claim was talking in the past tense before this flight happened as this flight validated the design of the first stage enabling at least partial reuse.

    And as I've already explained elsewhere, the vehicle is already capable of making a successful orbital mission, they've just elected to not enter orbit (a couple of meters per second shy of it) for safety reasons as the design is fleshed out. Making orbit would not be more notable/in the news versus this mid-air rocket catch feat.Ergzay (talk) 06:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Another few months, yet another incremental Starship test flight that goes a bit further than the one before. It became the general consensus that posting IFT-1 had been a mistaken, and IFT-2, IFT-3, and IFT-4 weren't posted.

SpaceX is taking a highly iterative development strategy here, which means that every few months we have another flight, that often (but not always) manages to bag a "first," and the company's marketing arm milks it. While impressive, catching a booster (while the upper stage still experienced the burn-through that marred IFT-4 while being too heavy to carry an actual payload) was visually impressive, it was pretty small in the big picture of things. Most push to highlight efforts here aren't based upon actual achievements, but by highlighting the lofty promises of what it might do in the future. This wasn't landing a person on Mars; this was like step 5 in a 10,000-step road to that.

That's the big takeaway here: the overall calculus/state of Starship isn't changed by the result of this uncrewed test. To put this in ITN would be basically to make ITN a "ticker" for Starship. Nottheking (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Nonsense. This mid-air catch absolutely changed the overall calculus/sate of Starship. Yes SpaceX is taking an iterative development strategy, but that doesn't mean you can simply ignore every single thing that happens along the way until you reach a random mundane "Starship delivered a payload to orbit". You choose to ignore all the major news items and instead focus on the mundane in the hopes maybe that that too will be avoided from being put into ITN.

And yes landing a person on Mars would be certainly ITN, but there's many other events in spaceflight history that also are relevant to being ITN. Up thread they're even celebrating the launch of a spacecraft, something relatively mundane and everyday. Ergzay (talk) 06:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support; I usually scoff at these Starship noms, but this IS a fairly massive step towards making reusable rockets a reality. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season

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Article: Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Conspiracy theories spread in the aftermath of Hurricanes Helene and Milton. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida, followed by conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Violence against recovery workers spreads after Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida.
News source(s): Washington Post, New York Times, Associated Press
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Dan Leonard (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Belbury (talk · give credit), Cowlan (talk · give credit) and BootsED (talk · give credit)

Now that the storms have subsided, a major topic of national news is the misinformation and conspiracy theories spreading about the hurricanes and the disaster relief. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 06:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose local american news Kasperquickly (talk) 06:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. People make statements news at 11. DarkSide830 (talk) 06:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:SNOW Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Please don't invoke WP:SNOW after only 3 votes and 19 minutes since nomination. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Tsk tsk... trying to influence the weather by organizing a conspiratorial flashmob snowdance... :) -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 07:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose local news and we don't post conspiracy theories. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Suport altblurb2 The article is very comprehensive and well cited, and this is a major news story around the globe. Many nominations are rejected because they do not have an aftermath section or the impact after the event is disputed; here we a clear case of side effects of the hurricane which has spawned into a story of its own. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose US local news and there is already a Milton story on the main page now. I have not seen this making headlines around the world which an another user is claiming. LiamKorda 07:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close this is going nowhere. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we need to amplify the blathering of idiots. Black Kite (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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October 12

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RD: Ka (rapper)

Article: Ka (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by ModernDayTrilobite (talk · give credit)

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Rapper and firefighter. Died on the 12th, death was announced today. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 23:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tylee Craft

Article: Tylee Craft (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:AD2F:6B55:B4EB:821E (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jumplike23 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jumplike23 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Football player for the University of North Carolina. 240F:7A:6253:1:AD2F:6B55:B4EB:821E (talk) 12:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose There is no prose about his life prior to the year 2020. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lilly Ledbetter

Article: Lilly Ledbetter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:AD2F:6B55:B4EB:821E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American activist who sued Goodyear for gender discrimination. 240F:7A:6253:1:AD2F:6B55:B4EB:821E (talk) 12:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in great shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose Three cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Appear resolved. —Bagumba (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tito Mboweni

Article: Tito Mboweni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gevaarlik (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former financial minister of South Africa. 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple paragraphs without any source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose chunks of article aren't sourced. Scuba 14:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jackmaster

Article: Jackmaster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Real name Jack Revill, Scottish DJ who tragically passed away after complications following a head injury. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait unsourced DOB, otherwise looks fine. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• There's a source for it here although the NYPost is marked yellow on WP:RSP. Black Kite (talk) 14:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Each instance of citing the NYP has to be reviewed to make sure they aren't just making something up. In this case the article in question looks fine so it should probably be cited. Scuba 15:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  As Scuba mentioned above, NYPost can be cited with some precaution and DOB is a non controversial statement about the subject. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Baba Siddique

Article: Baba Siddique (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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Indian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Positions held and Personal life sections are completely unsourced, Political career section needs more inline citation. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: G. N. Saibaba

Article: G. N. Saibaba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Batthini Vinay Kumar Goud (talk · give credit)

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Professor and human rights activist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article seems quite good. Rynoip (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

(RD posted) RD/Blurb: Alex Salmond

Article: Alex Salmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured), a prominent figure in the Scottish independence movement, dies at age 69. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured) dies at the age of 69.
News source(s): The Times, Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

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• Support Woah, this is how I find out? At first glance article seems good to go, I might even suggest to consider a blurb here given his importance in the Scottish independence referendum/movement. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Now that it's being discussed, support blurb - the Scottish independence referendum was one of Europe's most notable political events in recent memory, and the impact of the movement Salmond sat at the top of was significant across the continent. Easily a transformative figure in British and European politics. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:42, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, needs blurb - Notable politician and minister of Scotland. Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 16:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support either blurb or RD. The article is in good shape so this can go up quickly. Thryduulf (talk) 16:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, easily. I'd suggest a blurb too, as he was incredibly important in the Scottish and British political landscape. CoconutOctopus talk 16:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Transformative figure in the history of Scotland. Davey2116 (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support a blurb - responsible for a political realignment in not just Scotland, but the rest of the UK too. Definitely one of the most important characters in 21st-century British history. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality there's many unsourced paras and lines. Oppose blurb on notability he was a subnational politician. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Oppose blurb We almost never blurb subnational politicians and Scotland rejected his calls for secession. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Scotland is not subnational. RachelTensions (talk) 04:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

What criteria of statehood does it meet? Is it legislatively independent? Does it control territory? Is it a member of international organisations like the European Union or the United Nations? Yes, Scotland is a country. But it is a subnational country. AusLondonder (talk) 06:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

"subnational country" is quite the oxymoron RachelTensions (talk) 20:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD until the article is referenced sufficiently and oppose blurb, he wasn't known internationally well enough to warrant it. Suonii180 (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• I'll just note that, of course, Salmond did sit in the Scottish Parliament, but he was also the leader of the SNP twice, the leader of the Alba Party and an MP for two constituencies: all political positions in the wider UK. He was not "just" a subnational politician: he was a large figure in British politics before and after his stint in the devolved assembly. See: the Conservative 2015 general election billboards where Salmond was used to sway voters away from Labour in case of a Lab-SNP coalition. That election saw the SNP win all but 3 House of Commons seats in Scotland, by the way. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD once all referencing issues are addressed. Oppose blurb. Mjroots (talk) 18:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb Well referenced however, not transformative in his field since he lost the referendum and aside of that,t a regional politician in comparison as Scotland is a small part of the UK. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: he was clearly transformative for both the Scottish National Party and Scotland. In 1992, the SNP only had 3 seats but under his leadership they became the largest party in Scotland in 2007. It does not matter that the 2014 independence election failed (with 44% voting yes) as since then Scottish politics has been dominated by calls for a second Scottish independence referendum. Sahaib (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
    • @Sahaib: A second referendum that has no endorsement beyond a shrinking independence movement, especially when the 2014 referendum was "once in a lifetime". He lost the big vote, therefore not transformative in his field. He is simply just a regional politician who had a little success nationally but did not cause any lasting significant change within the UK. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
      • @The C of E: whilst support for the SNP may be in decline (they still got 30% of the vote in the 2024 United Kingdom general election in Scotland compared to Labour's 35%), support for independence has remained quite stagnant since 2014 per opinion polling on Scottish independence. The lasting impact as mentioned is transforming the SNP from a fringe party to a major party and putting Scottish independence on the political agenda where it remains to this day. Sahaib (talk) 20:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
        • It's not on the agenda given the previous crawl-backs from Sturgeon and Salmond's Alba party aren't making that much in terms of waves. No denying, he is a notable regional politician and justifiably should get an RD on the quality of the article but he did not have any lasting national impact (ie. lost the referendum and not had much further national impact since) so therefore a blurb would not be suitable in my opinion. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, changed both Scottish and British politics significantly. Sahaib (talk) 20:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb dare I say he was the most important person in Scottish politics for a while. Scuba 21:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb subnational leaders are almost never blurbed. Not serving at time of death. Good argument for OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  I like how I had an edit conflict with you and it turns out I basically said the exact opposite of what you said haha.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  He was not a subnational leader; Scotland is widely accepted to be a country & nation within a wider multinational state. RachelTensions (talk) 04:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's subnational in that is is not a sovereign state. It is like Greenland within the Kingdom of Denmark. AusLondonder (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb: Despite his highest office being that of subnational leader, he was clearly an important figure in UK and even European politics. And he was still active in Scotland politics up to his death so this isn't just a case of "old man dies".  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I hope I do not come across as boorish in this comment. If this nomination was from anywhere other than the Anglosphere, the nomination would have been met with a barrage of "not transformative", "have hardly heard his name", "no major world impact" comments. And, then after languishing for some time it would be tagged with Admin attention / evaluation required and that would be that. I sincerely wish these discussions would be different. See our discussion on M. S. Swaminathan if you'd so wish to. Do not reply to this comment showing me an existent but not followed segment of WP:ITNRDBLURB, I am just showing a mirror to this group. I truly believe we will be better off posting more often to the homepage. Sincere condolences to the departed. Ktin (talk) 23:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Personally, if the New Caledonian independence movement has a figure of equal stature I’d consider blurbing them as well. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  For me the criteria for RDB is only if the death per se is notable (i.e. death of a serving head of government causing a political change, or an assassination, etc). Though personally I'd be okay with doing away with RDB entirely except for serving heads of state/government. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  How do you measure "stature" of pro-independence leaders? Isn't it simply that you know more about Salmond because you're English-speaking and don't know New Caledonian leaders because you're not French-speaking? AusLondonder (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Sitaram Yechury seems a better Indian equivalent as a major national politician. It's easy to compare the standing of such figures with our readership -- just look at the all time views for their articles. They have each had about two million readers over the last 10 years. Salmond's spike is the largest. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  By that logic, we should be blurbing Ratan Tata views here (while I understand the politician vs business leader distinction). Will remind this group that we did not. Ktin (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb, unknown outside of the UK. Abductive (reasoning) 05:05, 13 Octo[[Death of Benito Mussoliniber 2024 (UTC)

  Hardly, given the impact of the Scottish independance movement on other similar movements across Europe. He literally died after giving a speech in North Macedonia, and had a show on Russia Today; neither of which are the UK. CoconutOctopus talk 06:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hardly known. Blurbs should be reserved for people whose death alone could support a Wikipedia article, such as Killing of Osama bin Laden, Death of Diana, Princess of Wales, Death of Benito Mussolini, you know, deaths that might be interesting to readers. Abductive (reasoning) 09:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Whilst I'm not claiming that Salmond should have a blurb, I'm pretty sure the story is "interesting" for those in Scotland (and Scots elsewhere). Black Kite (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Recent deaths is sufficient as a former leader of a non-sovereign state. While undoubtedly significant in Scotland and the UK, he had very little international significance. I'm not seeing widespread, substantial coverage outside of the UK. AusLondonder (talk) 06:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability He is clearly a highly influential person due to this close association with the Scottish independence movement. "Unknown outside UK" arguments should be disregarded because an item cannot be opposed just because the event is only relating to a single country. But, article have many cn tags that needs to be resolved before it is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Picture We don't really need a prose blurb as the details of the death aren't remarkable and the subject's name is distinctive. But we have a good picture of his fairly famous face and so should use it. The current picture of Han Kang has been up for 24 hours and so it's time for a change and the viewing figures indicate that the stories are of similar significance to our readership. And we should get on with it rather than dithering because the "comet of the century" is coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Halley's is still "the comet of the century" to me, but yeah, Picture When Ready. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment For those that claim he was important, there is no standalone section in the article that gives any impression of what his legacy or impact was on Scotland, so trying to wade through the text there to make that determination is impossible. You cannot just hand-wave the claim of importance and not have it clear as day on the article that that is justified. There are a few statements in the death section that lean in the right direction, but that alone doesn't give enough of a summary with actual impact to justify a blurb. --Masem (t) 12:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Also as a comment, there are far too many non-support !votes talking about lack of knowing who he was or that Scotland's too small to consider for a blurb. That is absolutely not how we judge the posting of any blurb (RD or not) on ITN. --Masem (t) 12:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I was shocked by the news and thought this should be a blurb, because he was a highly visible sub-national leader due to the referendum - just like Carles Puigdemont is not just any other Catalan leader and Nigel Farage is not just any other Eurosceptic. But I can't see another situation where an independence leader who lost a referendum would be posted. Was there any suggestion that Jacques Parizeau, whose referendum would have changed the face of North America, should have been posted in 2015? Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  In fact Puigdemont went further and declared independence which came to nothing but sent Catalonia into the abyss. And, even so, I think he would hardly be a successful candidate for his death to be psoted as blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb I think a lot of people here are severely under-estimating he importance of the First Minister. It's of more power and prestige than American governors and doesn't really have much of an equivalence except that they wield influence similar to that of sovereign countries of similar size to Scotland, even if Scotland is not independent in itself. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 15:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  We do not post RD blurbs just because of the government position a person did, but what accomplishes they did while in that position. Not saying this doesn't exist for Salmond, but it needs to be far better explained in the article with sourcing. Masem (t) 15:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  California economy: larger than the entire UK's. California state budget (don't bother with link one of those essentially untouched in decade+ articles) fiscal yr 2023 (rounded): solely state general fund: $235 billion; total all funds & incl. transfers from Uncle Sam: $468 billion. (£1 (2023) (US$1.24)) Full total getting to around third of total UK budget it looks like. Surely influential CA govs should get blurbed then. (CA independence mvmt leaders? Let's wait and see... Note those transfers incl plenty of fed tax $ paid by people & entities in CA) Slowking Man (talk) 18:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD on quality The article has a few CN tags that should be fixed first. No opinion on blurb. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Support RD now Looks good enough for RD now. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, oppose on quality Article currently has six cn tags. Would support blurb due to his importance in the Scottish independence movement. Article does establish his importance in such a movement / impact in Scottish/UK politics. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment @MonarchOfTerror: @TDKR Chicago 101: I don't believe that the article has any cn tags now. Sahaib (talk) 07:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - I'm not inherently opposed to sub-national figures getting blurbs, but Donald Dewar was the truly epoch-making figure in Scottish politics. Salmond was a contentious figure, and his more recent forays with Alba show that he couldn't carry the movement with him. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• RD posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

October 11

Portal:Current events/2024 October 11

October 11, 2024 (2024-10-11) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Battle of Toretsk The military administrator of the city of Toretsk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, reports that more than half of the city has been taken by Russian Armed Forces, with the Armed Forces of Ukraine fighting back at eight different locations. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two United Nations peacekeepers are injured when Israeli forces fire at a watchtower at their headquarters in southern Lebanon. (Euronews) The Lebanese Armed Forces reports that two of its soldiers were killed in an Israeli strike on one of its positions in southern Lebanon. (Al Arabiya) A drone launched from Lebanon damages a building and causes a power outage in Herzliya, Israel. (Crisis 24) (MTV Lebanon) Israel destroys an Iranian Red Crescent Society field hospital on the Lebanon–Syria border. (Xinhua) Israel–Hamas war At least 20 Palestinians are killed and dozens of others are injured by Israeli airstrikes on the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza. (Reuters) Arts and culture 2024 Nobel Peace Prize This year's Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to Japanese atomic bomb survivors group Nihon Hidankyo for "its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons and for demonstrating through witness testimony that nuclear weapons must never be used again". (The Washington Post) (Nobel Prize) Business and economy 2024 Boeing machinists strike Aerospace company Boeing announces it will cut 17,000 jobs, 10% of its global workforce, and delay the deliveries of its Boeing 777X planes due to effects of the ongoing machinists strike. (Reuters) King of Belgium Philippe and King of the Netherlands Willem-Alexander jointly open the Nieuwe Sluis canal lock in Terneuzen, Netherlands, which is part of a series of locks connecting the Western Scheldt to the Port of Ghent. (NOS) Disasters and accidents 2024 South American wildfires 2024 Peru wildfires The Global Wildfire Information System states that 10,400 wildfires have been reported in Peru so far this year, more than twice as many as were reported in 2020, and that the wildfires burned an area nearly 2.5 times larger than those in 2020. (Reuters) 2024 Tamil Nadu train collision At least 19 people were injured after two trains collided near Chennai in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. (India Today) International relations Foreign relations of Nicaragua, Foreign relations of Israel Nicaragua formally breaks off diplomatic relations with Israel, calling the Israeli government "fascist" and "genocidal". (Reuters) France–Israel relations, Israel–Hezbollah conflict France summons the Israeli ambassador to France over recent attacks against United Nations peacekeepers in Lebanon, calling the attacks a violation of international law and asking Israel to explain itself. (Le Monde)

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RD: Mike Bullard (comedian)

Article: Mike Bullard (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wellington Bay (talk · give credit) and Abebenjoe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Canadian stand-up comic and broadcaster. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ward Christensen

Article: Ward Christensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ycombinator News, Mastodon
Credits:

• Nominated by Kcmastrpc (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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The co-founder of the world's first BBS and creator XMODEM was found dead on October 11th. Likely needs additional verification before posting. +++ATH0 Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Article looks okay now to me I think? /me holds up off-hook phone handset in memory \n<CR> --- NO CARRIER

(yes I know that's more IRC) Slowking Man (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kiril Marichkov

Article: Kiril Marichkov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bulgarian News Agency: Bulgarian Rock Legend Kiril Marichkov Dies at 79
Credits:

• Updated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Bulgarian rock musician. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I don't see any problems. Scuba 01:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks fine to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• The second box in the Discography section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  A paragraph in the "life and career" section covers that information, and I feel it's unnecessary to repeat references for something that has already been covered in the article. Jaguarnik (talk) 15:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Posted. I've added new footnotes to the box to avoid the appearance of unsourced materials. --PFHLai (talk) 22:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Nobel Peace Prize

Article: Nihon Hidankyo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to the Japanese atomic bomb survivors group, Nihon Hidankyo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to Nihon Hidankyo "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons and for demonstrating, through witness testimony, that nuclear weapons must never be used again".
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to the Japanese atomic bomb survivors group Nihon Hidankyo "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons".
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Guardian, Noble Peace Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ReyHahn (talk · give credit) and VersedVoyager67 (talk · give credit)

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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The winner's article needs expansion as it is currently barely more than a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• It went from a stub to be full of sources in Japanese which makes it hard to assert their validity.--ReyHahn (talk) 10:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready. The article currently has only one paragraph of prose content, with the rest being bullet points and the lead. It needs some substantial expansion. Hopefully the Nobel win has generated some English-language sources, which can be used to do so. Modest Genius ^talk 11:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Still not ready. Three days later, there are now a whole two paragraphs of prose and some more bullet points. That's not sufficient expansion. Modest Genius ^talk 12:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• I've added altblurb2, as the amount of the Nobel committee quote in the altblurb was far too long, and this new one cuts to the chase while also briefly summarizing the group. --Masem (t) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, why does literature not have the reason?Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Question 3 out of the 4 current "In The News" blurbs are Nobel Prizes right now... can/should they be condensed into one, or should we delay adding more until we have a better variety of "news"? Right now the "In The News" box just looks like a Nobel Prize news feed RachelTensions (talk) 12:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM

The Prize and the Price I didn't see the peace prize covered yet. The story I noticed in the NYT today when browsing was The Price . This gives the latest spend on nuclear weapons by the USA. Perhaps they posted it because of the peace prize or perhaps it's just coincidence. Anyway, it caught my attention because I wrote about this as Renovation of the nuclear weapon arsenal of the United States back in 2015 when the price tag was about a trillion US$. The figure is now $1.7 trillion and counting. That's partly inflation and partly goofs like a roof at Y-12 being 13 feet out, which cost a mere $540 million. Now the peace prize is about $1 million so let's compare those numbers to put things in proportion: Nobel peace prize = $1,035,000 US planned spend on new nukes = $1,700,000,000,000 The ratio between the prize and that planned spend is over a million. That's your tax dollars at work and so it goes. But tell me, which of these stories is more significant...? Andrew🐉(talk) 12:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict) This isn't about the US doing routine maintenance of it's nuclear arsenal, it's about the Nobel peace prize Scuba 12:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC) The prize was awarded to the group "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons..." The article doesn't explain that these efforts seem to have been fruitless. The other prize winners seem to have concrete achievements so the comparative failure seems to need explanation. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC) (The Peace Prize has looooong been a "messaging" thing before all else, given to stuff those who decide who they give the award to, want to hit the +1 like button for. Look up who got the 1973 prize—take an indigestion pill first. Double-bonus: look at which of them gleefully took it, and which one refused it! --Slowking Man (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)) Also they gave one to Arafat. 166.198.25.23 (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Also begin and peres Go figure. that's not relevant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC) They also gave one to Obama. Scuba 02:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC) Dude it's a nobel peace price, awarded to elderly hiroshima survivors, to say that "nukes are bad". I don't think anyone at the Nobel foundation genuinely thinks it'll abolish the world's nuclear weapons, it's just messaging. Scuba 02:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC) "But tell me, which of these stories is more significant" So the order is Nobel Peace Prize < Nuclear spending of the US < Some random comet will be visible. Got it. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC) None of this should matter. The Nobel Peace Prize is ITN/R, so it is presumed notable, and we are looking at article quality to determine whether or not to post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC) WP:NOTAFORUM. Ergo this should be closed or removed.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Mild support in the light that the current problems with the references are minor and not subjected to WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 15:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Support the article looks good. Scuba 02:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready yet. History section only covered activities up to 1965, then barely anything since then. Looking at the ja.wp article, there are more contents that should be covered before it's ready for main page. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  The problem is that any history about the organization is only found in Japanese sources, including what is already in the article.--ReyHahn (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Can't we just cannibalize the Japanese wiki's article? Scuba 15:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  For users like me that have no idea on how to read Japanese or what Japanese sources are reliable, it is very difficult to asssess the notability of the content.WP:NOENG says that we should ask for translations when there is some apprehension about its content, which is very cumbersome when there are so many non-English sources. To be clear: it is an issue but the current article is (at least to me) fine enough for a blurb.--ReyHahn (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  WP:NOENG just says that English language sources are preferred. In most cases a machine translation is fine unless it's a contentious subject, BLP, or whatever claim you're citing seems too left-field to be accurate. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Is this reply directed to me or another user? I support the blurb as I said this is not subjected to WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm just clarifying your statement that "WP:NOENG says that we should ask for translations which is very cumbersome when there are so many non-English sources" because it seemed like you interpreted WP:NOENG to mean that we need to ask for a human translation of any source we wish to cite in an article. RachelTensions (talk) 08:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, fixed wording.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  I can read Chinese, which gives me an advantage in assessing and comparing our en.wp content with ja.wp page because I can read kanji. In ja.wp, there's a history section with bullet points highlighting their activities from 1967 to 1996 which is absent in en.wp. There were also blurbs about membership numbers in this organization in circa 2000. This is why I stated the en.wp isn't ready for main page yet. Side note, has our volunteer base dwindled to the point that we don't have a Japanese-English editor who is willing to check the Japanese sources for us? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  I asked for help in Wikiproject Japan and got not response. If that history is not covered elsewhere in Enlgish it is not notable enough. Anyway missing history is not a reason to decline an ITN. I--ReyHahn (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  Missing 3 decades of this organization's work does fall under WP:ITNQUALITY's not omitting any major items. This isn't a decline (and that's a strawman argument by the way), but rather it's not ready yet. Modest Genius also reiterated above that it's still not ready. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article may be short, but it conveys sufficient information to the reader about what the group does, it appears to be cited, and it has been updated to reflect the Nobel Peace Prize. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Nobuyo Ōyama

Article: Nobuyo Ōyama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Japan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Japanese voice actress known for being the voice of Doraemon and Monokuma. Death occurred on 29 September but news was only released today. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Article looks fine to me for RD. For the unaware Doraemon is a natl institution in Japan, which is why *glances* she has obit on en-lang CNN. Haven't looked but I would not be surprised if ja:Main Page has an "ITN blurb" equivalent for her, unless they have a project rule against stuff like that. Equivalent for native en speakers would be something like Mel Blanc if he had died in the Internet era. (If the name doesn't stick out for you I would bet my life you know (at least some of) his voice(s). BTW look at his grave if you haven't: oh yeah he had the sense of humor you likely expected.) --Slowking Man (talk) 18:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait There is no prose about her life before 2015 and her career. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

October 10

Portal:Current events/2024 October 10

October 10, 2024 (2024-10-10) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza An Israeli strike on a school sheltering displaced people in Gaza kills 28 people and injures 54 others. (AP) Military aid to Israel during the Israel–Hamas war Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz announces plans for Germany to supply Israel with a new shipment of weapons, and that the German government has agreed to continue shipments for at least the near future. (Euronews) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon An Israeli Merkava tank opens fire on a UNIFIL checkpoint in southern Lebanon, injuring two peacekeepers. Israeli troops also open fire on two other UN positions near the Blue Line, although no casualties are reported. (BBC News) At least 22 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes on two different areas in central Beirut, Lebanon. (AP) Sudanese civil war October 2024 Sudan airstrikes Sudanese human rights group Emergency Lawyers reports that over 500 Sudanese civilians have been killed in airstrikes conducted by the Sudanese Armed Forces on multiple civilian areas held by the Rapid Support Forces. (Reuters) (Dabanga Sudan) Russian invasion of Ukraine The World Bank approves a new financial intermediary fund consisting of grants from the United States, Japan, Canada, and other countries coupled with interest from frozen Russian assets to give to Ukraine as part of a $50 billion loan. (Reuters) Ukraine's Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War confirms the death of journalist Victoria Roshchyna, who had been held prisoner by Russia since August 2023. (The Kyiv Independent) Insurgency in Balochistan At least twenty-one miners are killed and six others are injured in an attack by unknown armed militants on a private coal mine in Duki District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Reuters) Arts and culture 2024 Nobel Prize in Literature This year's Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to South Korean writer Han Kang "for her intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life". (Nobel Prize) Disasters and accidents One person is killed and twelve others are trapped when an elevator fails at the Mollie Kathleen Gold Mine in Cripple Creek, Colorado, United States. (Sky News) Health and environment 2024 Atlantic hurricane season At least ten people are killed in damages by tornadoes caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida, United States. (Reuters) In its annual Living Planet report, the World Wildlife Fund estimates that wild populations of animal species have decreased over 70% since 1970, with some high-biodiversity areas seeing up to 95% declines. (DW) International relations Israel–Italy relations, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni summons the Israeli ambassador to Italy after Israeli forces target bases manned by Italian peacekeepers in southern Lebanon. (CNN) Law and crime Capital punishment in Malaysia, Murder of Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa The Federal Court of Malaysia commutes the death sentence of Azilah Hadri, one of Altantuyaa's murderers, to 40 years imprisonment. (CNA) Multiple Palestinian, Dutch, and Jewish human rights organizations sue the Dutch government for exporting weapons and military goods to Israel, thereby allegedly failing to prevent violations of the Genocide Convention and other war crimes in the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) Politics and elections War crimes in the Israel–Hamas war United Nations human rights investigators accuse Israel of crimes against humanity and the crime of extermination by deliberately targeting health facilities and medical personnel in Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Tomb of Christopher Columbus Researchers from the University of Granada confirm that bones lying in the Seville Cathedral in Seville, Andalusia, Spain, belonged to Christopher Columbus. (ABC Spain) The Internet Archive and the Wayback Machine are taken offline following a denial-of-service attack, with the hackers also stealing 31 million password hashes in a data breach. (Forbes) Sports Erling Haaland becomes the all-time top goalscorer of the Norway national football team with 34 goals in the last 36 matches, beating Jørgen Juve's 1934 record of 33 goals. (ESPN)

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(Posted) RD: Fleur Adcock

Article: Fleur Adcock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chocmilk03 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Noted New Zealand poet. 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think article is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Peter Cormack

Article: Peter Cormack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:189C:4A1A:9ED4:16C1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former Hibernian, Liverpool and Scotland midfielder. 240F:7A:6253:1:189C:4A1A:9ED4:16C1 (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there are multiple cn tags and some paragraphs are without a footnote, plus, the quote on the style of play subsection needs to be edited and shortened. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Internet Archive Breach

Article: Internet Archive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Internet Archive is DDoSed and hacked, resulting in 31 million accounts compromised. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After a series of DDoS attacks and security breaches, 31 million accounts on the Internet Archive are compromised.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 31 million accounts are compromised on the Internet Archive, after a sequence of attacks and data breaches.
Alternative blurb III: ​ 31 million accounts are compromised on the Internet Archive, after a sequence of attacks and data breaches made by a Palestinian hacker organization.
News source(s): Bleeping Computer Forbes Newsweek Wired
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by NikolaiVektovich (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kasperquickly (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Very prominent archive known for its archive of webpages and various different digital-based data is attacked and suffers a security breach. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Interesting, horrible, and kind of significant, but it has no real world impact and there's no in-depth coverage of this Personisinsterest (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support 31 million accounts being breached isn't anything to scoff at. Scuba 23:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Several cn tags and an update orange tag under Operations section. I also feel that the section talking about the breach could be expanded to reflect more on the significance of this event and maybe have more reactions about it if possible? Agreeing w/ Scuba, 31 million accounts being breached is significant. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality 31 million accounts is a significant breach, but the article needs improvement before it can be posted to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose If it isn't notable enough for its own article, it isn't notable enough for ITN. –DMartin 01:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like you're in support of a Wikipedia that's more of a popularity contest than "the sum total of human knowledge". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying it isn't worthy of its own article. But until it has one it shouldn't be featured in itn. –DMartin 06:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment After reading the first article to appear in my news feed, any concern for user privacy appears to be a red herring. That sort of talk mainly appeals to hackrboiz and their ilk. I was left with lots of questions about the status of the site's data and whether compromised data can be restored from backups. That has far greater impact. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support big breach of one of the world’s biggest websites. 31 million is not a small number either Ion.want.uu (talk) 02:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Statement: IA estimated traffic rank is ~180 (assuming something like that is meant by "world's biggest websites"), which isn't nothing, but is a ways below such sites as Douyin, ok.ru, VK.com, Cricbuzz, Detik.com, and Figma. Asking for curiosity any of those have any past security issues that got ITN blurbed? Not to mention Tsyndicate which...uh apparently per a brief search is controlled by cybercrime/malicious actors and used for malware! And is blocked by things like Google Safe Browsing for that reason! Yet still in top 50 sites globally by traffic! Important WP article missing here for people looking for something to do! (IOW basically what GeorgeMemulous wrote below) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose In the grand scheme of data breaches, 31 million accounts is not a surprisingly large number and while it may SEEM bad, it's really just hashed passwords which means all that was leaked was usernames and emails. I'll be seeing more spam in my inbox in due time. Also, where's the main article for this? Kline • talk • contribs 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose And it is not 31 million accounts, but 31 million records, which could be 31 million users but also could consider multiple records per person. Significant difference. Also, 31 million is tiny compared to past breaches which have easily exceeded 100 million. --Masem (t) 03:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Interesting. Unusual (why the internet archive), and ofcourse the archive is one of the best websites on the internet ever. Also i dont wanna get accused of trolling or wahtever but this page is such a slog these days, I can bet you 99% of the news here - about elections in Micronesia and the winners of a tourney of horse football - most people not just not care about those, but actively roll their eyes whenever these get posted. This piece of news however is actually fresh and interesting. Kasperquickly (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — 31 million accounts is not significant. ITN is not for interesting facts but significant news. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance This is a pretty substantial take down of such a large website. However, I have to oppose on quality as the article on the IA is full of CN tags and has an orange-tagged section as needing an update. I would also oppose ALT3 as it is just factually untrue; the group claiming to have carried out the attack is based in Russia and has never claimed to be Palestinian. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability and quality. Larger companies have suffered more severe data breaches and many of those are forgotten today. Hey, do you recall when every American's social security number was leaked earlier this year? It hasn't crossed my mind in a long time even though a social security number is far more important than an Internet Archive password. MoneyGram which handles over 150 million records suffered a breach containing more sensitive information literally 2 days ago and it hasn't appeared in even the lower ITN, but the Internet Archive is more important to Wikipedia so even when it suffers a "routine" and ultimately less severe and important breach than we've seen many times this year, it gets coverage on Wikipedia. The Internet Archive is more likely to be affected in operation by the intellectual property lawsuits it's fighting. Also there's only one paragraph in the source about the breach. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose does the average person know what the Internet Archive is? I only know of it from trying to archive references for Wikipedia. This breach is barely covered by major news sources, mainly only tech websites. Natg 19 (talk) 18:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as others mentioned, 31 million accounts having their data breached is newsworthy. Not to mention, this disruption affects people who enjoyed archived record significantly. Rager7 (talk) 04:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is one of the multiple data breaches that major companies and governments face every year. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Very bad news for the Archive, but not a particularly big story in the wider world. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Murasoli Selvam

Article: Murasoli Selvam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

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Prominent newspaper editor of current Tamil Nadu state party-led government Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam. Abishe (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Soft Support article is teetering on a stub, but it is properly cited. Scuba 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I think some part of the article needs to be rewritten in more neutral tone and trimmed in some other parts as currently it reads as far too praiseworthy with words such as "illustrious", "passionately", and "pivotal and instrumental" among others. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ethel Kennedy

Article: Ethel Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

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Wife of Robert F. Kennedy and mother of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. dies at age 96. Davey2116 (talk) 15:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks fine Scuba 15:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Well sourced, no tags. Jusdafax (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 16:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. Would support photo RD down the road too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support It was only yesterday that I was reading her article and was surprised at the line "She is the oldest living member of the Kennedy family". Alas, that is not true anymore. Her article is ready to be posted and I also support a photo of her being posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Photo RD immediately "down the road". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on procedural grounds but strongly oppose a “photo RD” which is not a thing, and she certainly does not qualify for a blurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 00:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Literature

Article: Han Kang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean writer Han Kang (pictured) for her "intense poetic prose exposing fragility of life". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean writer Han Kang (pictured) for her "intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life".
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean poet and novelist Han Kang (pictured).
News source(s): The Hindu, The New York Times, Noble Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ccmontgom (talk · give credit)

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The winner's article needs some work before it is ready to be posted. Also, I am not sure whether to include her distinction as first Asian female Nobel laureate in Literature in the blurb or not. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• The pulled quote from the Nobel committee for the reason in the current blurb looks odd. I know we need this but the way the statement reads in full by the committee is a bit too long for us to use, so may need some more creative selection of parts. Masem (t) 13:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  For the nature of her work it might be ok, as it is hard to describe. I am more worried about lack of references or citations to blogs.--ReyHahn (talk) 13:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Here is how some major news organizations are reporting her win:

  ...for her ‘intense poetic prose’ exposing fragility of life (The Indian Expresss),

  ... for her intense poetic prose (Wall Street Journal),

  ...was honored for her “intense” prose and historical focus (The Washington Post),

  ...for ‘poetic prose on historical trauma’ (Financial Express)

  Which one do you think would be most appropriate for the blurb? ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean author Han Kang for her prose about the fragility of life. I think that's fine... VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Since the actual words are "for her intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life", either repeat that (even in part) or don't "quote" anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Needs some work, mainly references. Also, I suggest for literature Nobels we go with simple "X is awarded Nobel Prize in literature" because the descriptions are typically something very poetic and not as obvious as in the scientific awards. We can say whether the person is a writer or poet or both, though. --Tone 17:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  A poet is a writer (who writes poetically). I think you mean "novelist", and yeah, I'll add it. I don't think it's worth arguing about whether Nobel Prize citations are ever "very" poetic, because that's subjective. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality - multiple CN tags. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - CN tags now removed; please could someone double-check. As for the blurb, they usually get a bare description like "X wins Nobel", but winners of other prizes get brief descriptions of their work. E.g. the current ones read "The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis (pictured) and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design.", "John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks.", and "Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their discovery of microRNA." So the altblurb looks preferable. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 03:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support' the page was improved greatly since yesterday. There is still a whole section of her books that is not well referenced but it is not as key as it is just missing primary sources to her Korean books.--ReyHahn (talk) 07:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Now it is good to go.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posting. Great work with finding the references. --Tone 08:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• @Tone: maybe it is better to change Hassabis picture for Kang, Hassabis only won 1/4 of the prize.--ReyHahn (talk) 09:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think we are cycling of images of the laureates. Other editors have this covered :) Tone 09:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

October 9

Portal:Current events/2024 October 9

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(needs attention) RD: Leif Segerstam

Article: Leif Segerstam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WFMT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Composer of 371 symphonies, conductor of major opera companies and orchestras worldwide, leading positions in Austria, Germany, Sweden and his native Finland, teacher of notable conductors. - This article was mainly there, even with plenty of sources, only: many of them are in Finnish or Swedish, and all of the many archived ones don't work. I feel that by now we have enough accessible sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Looks well sourced. Cannot see any issues. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lily Ebert

Article: Lily Ebert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

No sourcing issues, long enough. Mooonswimmer 01:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Very notable, and the article looks pretty good. High Admiral JMT (talk) 06:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good. I also cropped the subject's image. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is in a great shape. It appears ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good Scuba 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Baldock

Article: George Baldock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SDNA
Credits:

• Nominated by Mwwv (talk · give credit)
• Updated by HomerPap17 (talk · give credit) and Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Football player. Could use some more work on sources. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 20:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment there's much much more about his time at MK Dons than his seven years at Sheffield United, even though half of that SUFC times was his only time in the Premier League. This usually happens when an editor is writing about a player for their favourite club, but then leaves Wikipedia/doesn't care when the player moves club. Probably not a big enough issue to nix posting the page, but it certainly stands out. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Part of the reason may be that he meant a lot to the Dons fans, given he was a local player who came through the academy and was one of the best players. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Currently two cn tags. However neither are what I would call particularly controversial claims of fact. I think it's good enough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Fixed the cn tags. Article overall looks in good shape sourcing wise. Fats40boy11 (talk) 05:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is good enough to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 15:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - without a doubt, this is ready for RD Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced place and date of birth. Schwede66 09:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

In fairness, both were already referenced in the first line of the main prose of the article so I didn't think extra refs in the infobox were required. I've cited it in the infobox now and removed the 'citation needed' tags in any case. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I think what Schwede66 meant to write was that the referencing needed fixing there. The two footnotes linked to sources that gave different DoBs. I have taken out "Hugman", which stated "26 January 1993" as the DoB, and replaced with the obituary on The Times, which shows "March 9, 1993", same as the DoB shown in the other existing footnoted sources. --PFHLai (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS)

Article: C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) makes its closest approach to Earth on 12 October. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) is visible to the western sky after sunset on 12 October and onwards.
News source(s): guardianNYTSky & TelescopeBBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by C messier (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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The second brightest comet visible from the Earth the last 50 years. It already graced the southern skies the previous weeks, now it makes it closest approach to Earth on 12 October, before emerging in the western sky. --C messier (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until October 12. I personally think it can be post-worthy, but we can't make news out of what hasn't occurred yet. — Knightoftheswords 19:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It won't be really be visible October 12. Wait a few days? Nfitz (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until October 12, hopefully this doesn't end up like the 2nd moon where the consensus was to post when it actually entered orbit and then everyone just forgot to nominate it again Scuba 22:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I was just about to nominate 2024 PT5 and forgot lol High Admiral JMT (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I checked the status of 2024 PT5 on that date but there was still no good picture at that time and nothing much more to say. A renomination therefore did not seem sensible. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as others said, we won't know if the comet would be visible until on that day (October 12th). Rager7 (talk) 00:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comets are unpredictable, but not that unpredictable. It won't vanish in two days and up to now it has been quite predictable. On 12 October it will be quite low in the sky, near Venus, and set early, while the tail curves back to the Sun. After the 14th will be an easy to see object (although the moonlight will interfer). C messier (talk) 04:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Bright comets are ITN/R, the article seems ok and there's a wide choice of pictures. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Already is gaining much attention. Can be posted. High Admiral JMT (talk) 06:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but Support. Another interesting astronomy news. The 2nd moon was totally forgotten about, but let's see if this will make its close approach on that day. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article meets the standard and I think this can be posted now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. No reason not to wait until it is visible. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Not sure what took us so long. Schwede66 07:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment The posted blurb should be changed from "visible to the western sky" to "visible in the western sky". "Visible to the western sky" is not a common idiom, according to my googling anyway. Adpete (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) RD: Ratan Tata

Article: Ratan Tata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian Business magnate (industrialist or tycoon) and philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group, Ratan Tata dies at the age of 86. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ratan Tata Highest Indian civilian honours award winner (Padma Bhushan and Padma Vibhushan), and International Honor Awards winner , dies at the age of 86.
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, CNN, The New York Times, the GuardianHT
Credits:

• Nominated by The Herald (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

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Indian industrialist, philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD currently on quality. The Philanthropy section is under sourced and written in a way that edges on POV. In terms of a blurb, there feels like there needs to be more about the legacy or impact he's had (not just having buildings named after him) , while the awards and honors implies that direction, the article needs to be more explicit, otherwise this seems like any typical business leader anywhere in the world. (To contrast, I would think we are comparing to someone like Bill Gates as a major figure in the business and philanthropy fields, and this article doesn't currently give that impression.) Masem (t) 18:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Still not ready The Philanthropy section still reads as POV/promotional writing, and relies a bit too much on primary sourcing for these types of claims. --Masem (t) 12:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Article need quality improvement for posting. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb OLDMANDIES. Not a serving head of state or government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Ummm, okay? I don't see anyone saying that this was a nomination for a blurb. Tube·of·Light 05:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  It was when it was posted This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Article looks good enough now. Rynoip (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article just needs slightly more grammatical revisions before posting. Rager7 (talk) 00:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks to meet basic expectations for homepage / RD. Anything else with NPOV or tone should be taken up by orange tags on the article page to get editors attention. For now this is ready. Ktin (talk) 03:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a blurb here? 2409:40C0:101E:59D2:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 06:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several sections still needs to be sourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article seems fine now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support It is a major event, and the article seems fine. User:VSankeerthSai1609
• Oppose blurb as he wasn't a world transforming figure.
• Oppose alternative blurb and blurb. He wasn't awarded the highest civilian honor and the phrase in brackets can be removed.User:VSankeerthSai1609

2401:BA80:A30F:5D1C:DCB7:5373:D5BE:66F7 (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb but Support RD for the article is clean enough now to post in RD. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD and feel free to continue the blurb discussion. Schwede66 18:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb amongst the biggest sirs in Indian business 💪💪💪 Kasperquickly (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Iwao Hakamada

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Article: Iwao Hakamada (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The acquittal of Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest serving death row inmate for more than 45 years, is finalized as Japanese prosecutors decide to not appeal against the verdict in the retrial. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press, Nippon TV
Credits:

• Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)

Note: we also posted the news about him in March 2014. --UCinternational (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Cool trivia but I don't see how this would fit into the narrative of ITN. Perhaps more suitable for DYK? TwistedAxe [contact] 14:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose dyk not itn Scuba 14:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Ineligible for DYK. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose minor status quo update to what we already posted on the acquittal. Similar to why we don't post inauguration of elected leaders when we already posted the results. Masem (t) 15:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose since he already got his day on the front page per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - more finalization of a procedure than anything else. I would like to note however a decade later, that in ITN's current environment, his acquittal would likely not even be posted, nor nominated. — Knightoftheswords 19:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Nobel Prize in Chemistry

Articles: Demis Hassabis (talk · history · tag) and John M. Jumper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The New York Times, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

All three winners' articles look good enough even though Jumper's article is bit short and they need to be updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Except for a few statements in Baker's personal life, all articles are good to go for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 12:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• For Hassabis, date and place of birth are unreferenced. Schwede66 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • fixed. Masem (t) 18:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The statement in Jumper's aritcle that AlphaFold is the first machine learning algorithm to be able to accurately predict the 3D structure of proteins is unreferenced. --C messier (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  This has been fixed. Ktin (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The three articles pass basic hygiene checks for homepage. Good to go. Can someone create a composite image on a photo editing software? Ktin (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Do we need a picture of all three winners or would a picture of both Hassabis and Baker be enough? ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article about a notable prize is now ready. 64.114 etc 04:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Ktin and 64. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 04:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support I agree with K. This is a good article. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:28B8:4402:8321:8CA1 (talk) 04:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 12:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Lee Wei Ling

Article: Lee Wei Ling (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lee-wei-ling-daughter-lee-kuan-yew-dies-aged-69-4667096
Credits:

• Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Daughter of Lee Kuan Yew, sister of Lee Hsien Loong (both Prime Ministers of Singapore). There are portions that may still require citations. – robertsky (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support but not ready: Some sections have missing citations and the article in general needs to be expanded or reworked. Will support RD in principle. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as of now article looks in decent enough shape. Scuba 14:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is good enough now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Looking for a footnote(s) in the main prose to support the date and place of birth as mentioned in the infobox and intro. Help anyone, please? --PFHLai (talk) 14:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not massively happy about that "Administrator of Lee Kuan Yew's will" paragraph either. BDP applies, and I'm unsure that it's even sourced properly. Black Kite (talk) 14:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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