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Errors in the summary of the featured article
Errors with "In the news"
- In the Nobel economic item global inequality could benefit from a wikilink as one of the key terms. Brandmeistertalk 16:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- The choice of the blurb is unfortunate. We usually use the wording in the statement of the Nobel Committee, which is 'for studies of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity'. There's no notion of 'research on global inequality', and this is largely original research by The New York Times.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "Did you know ..."
- ... that Episode 7921 of Neighbours features Australia's first televised same-sex wedding since the country voted in favour of legalising same-sex marriage?
- I'm not sure the mention of Neighbours is enough to signify that Episode 7921's "first televised same-sex wedding " was the first fictional portrayal of a same-sex wedding?
- Australia voted in November 2017. Episode 7921 aired 3 September 2018.
- But... there was at least one, and possibly more, real-life televised same-sex weddings shown on Australian TV before Episode 7921 i.e., actual non-fictional ceremonies. For example, video of Christine Forster's 2 February 2018 wedding had footage aired in an episode of Australian Story on 6 February 2018.
- Maybe add "dramatised" at "first televised same-sex wedding" ie
- 'first dramatised televised same-sex wedding'? JennyOz (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I rather like "fictional", since it's the same in all ENGVARs (and it sidesteps the jokes about all wedding being dramatic) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I added "fictional" though it reads a tad clumsily to me, for want of a better wording. Gatoclass (talk) 08:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
China didn't make memento dollars in 1914; the image caption should say "1912 memento dollar" Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Done, thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "On this day"
Errors in the summary of the featured list
Errors in the summary of the featured picture
- re: Van Gogh -- In this context, "born" rather than "borne" should be used. "Borne" means "carried" or "supported" (the word is actually a past participle of the verb "to bear"). Using "born" in its place would mean "originated from" or "created as a result of", which is more apt. Even a different construction (developed, arose, stemming, flowed from, grew out of, built upon, etc.) would be more grammatically correct than as-is.
- Al Begamut, it also uses "borne" in the target article. Should you not fix that first? Schwede66 06:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might be one of those cases where technically the OP is correct - born was historically the correct past-participle for bear in contexts relating to the birth of something, but in modern-day usage you see plenty of instances of "borne out of", e.g. in books and on the BBC. It's a little hard to do a direct comparison, because when you search for "born out of", most of the usages relate to phrases like born out of wedlock or born out of the home, which is a different kettle of fish. Language is defined by its usage, not by any official dictum, so I'm inclined to flag this as
Not done and not an error... — Amakuru (talk) 09:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully disagree, but of course I'm a stickler for grammar, so your argument that an incorrect usage is common may well be valid. "Borne out" can be used in the sense of proof, like "the evidence bears out her supposition", but that usage isn't apt here either. I just believe the correct grammar should rule in a case like this, but that's only my position. Al Begamut (talk) 13:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also disagree.
- Lexico (ex-Oxford):
- Borne: a past participle of to bear.
- Born:
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- 1. Brought forth by birth.
- 2. Possessing from birth the quality, circumstances, or character stated:
- a born musician; a born fool.
- 3. Native to the locale stated; immigrated to the present place from the locale stated:
- a German-born scientist; a Chicago-born New Yorker.
- -- Sca (talk) 13:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might be one of those cases where technically the OP is correct - born was historically the correct past-participle for bear in contexts relating to the birth of something, but in modern-day usage you see plenty of instances of "borne out of", e.g. in books and on the BBC. It's a little hard to do a direct comparison, because when you search for "born out of", most of the usages relate to phrases like born out of wedlock or born out of the home, which is a different kettle of fish. Language is defined by its usage, not by any official dictum, so I'm inclined to flag this as
- Al Begamut, it also uses "borne" in the target article. Should you not fix that first? Schwede66 06:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
General discussion
Speedy deletion?
A newish editor with no experience with WP:TFA (that I know of) decided to schedule all the November TFAs; see Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 2024. In the process, they signed another person's name to their own WP:TFAR request, and scheduled some articles that aren't Featured Articles. This is about the time when we usually do the November scheduling, so we need to get this fixed sooner rather than later. I think we've handled the occasional random drive-by scheduling with a speedy deletion per WP:G6 ("housekeeping") in the past. If we don't delete, then some incorrect info is displayed on at least one TFA-related page, and bots may get confused, and sometimes people who keep an eye on the blurbs get confused by the blurb history. But, for all I know, the rules on G6 have tightened up and we can't use G6 for this any more ... opinions would be appreciated. A few days from now, if there haven't been any objections, I'd appreciate it if an admin would delete every page from the November 2 TFA to the end of that month. - Dank (push to talk) 18:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- No trouble with using G6 as far as I'm concerned. Schwede66 18:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Dank, from experience, G6 is regularly used at FAC for malformed or outright 'wrong' nominations (indeed, most other projects, too), so dust down your tool kit and get to it! SerialNumber54129 18:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, I've done it in the past and there were no WP:INVOLVED objections, but I just felt like being careful this time. If no one else does it, I'll do it. - Dank (push to talk) 20:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cheers Dank, yes I guess better safe than sorry when it's more than just the occasional one. Btw, who was the editor in question? SerialNumber54129 20:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dunkybrown. - Dank (push to talk) 20:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll give it another couple of days (to see if there are objections or questions) before I delete these pages (but someone else may beat me to it). If there's any text that anyone would like to save from these blurbs, go ahead and save the text now somewhere in your own userspace. - Dank (push to talk) 14:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done. - Dank (push to talk) 14:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cheers Dank, yes I guess better safe than sorry when it's more than just the occasional one. Btw, who was the editor in question? SerialNumber54129 20:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, I've done it in the past and there were no WP:INVOLVED objections, but I just felt like being careful this time. If no one else does it, I'll do it. - Dank (push to talk) 20:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia languages
The list of Wikipedias in other languages at the bottom of the page is outdated, as the Slovak Wikipedia reached 250k articles in August (source). Could it be updated and moved to the 250k group in the list? Thanks. Matroxko (talk) 11:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- The place to discuss changing the language lists is Template talk:Wikipedia languages. Art LaPella (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)