Wikipedia:Featured list candidates

Nominating featured lists in Wikipedia Welcome to featured list candidates! Here, we determine which lists are of a good enough quality to be featured lists (FLs). Featured lists exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and must satisfy the featured list criteria. Before nominating a list, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at peer review. This process is not a substitute for peer review. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured list candidate (FLC) process. Those who are not significant contributors to the list should consult regular editors of the list before nomination. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make an effort to address objections promptly. A list should not be listed at featured list candidates and another review process at the same time. Nominators should not add a second featured list nomination until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed. The featured list director, Giants2008, or his delegates, PresN and Hey man im josh, determine the timing of the process for each nomination. Each nomination will typically last at least twenty days, but may last longer if changes are ongoing or insufficient discussion or analysis has occurred. For a nomination to be promoted to FL status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. The directors determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the director who considers a nomination and its reviews: actionable objections have not been resolved in a timely manner; or consensus for promotion has not been reached after significant time; or reviewers are unable to judge whether the criteria have been met. It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the process focuses on finding and resolving problems in relation to the criteria, rather than asserting the positives. Declarations of support are not as important as finding and resolving issues, and the process is not simply vote-counting. Once the director or delegate has decided to close a nomination, they will do so on the nominations page. A bot will update the list talk page after the list is promoted or the nomination archived, typically within the day, and the {{FLC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates or adds the {{Article history}} template. If a nomination is archived, the nominator should take adequate time to resolve issues before re-nominating.  – Table of contents – Closing instructions

Featured content: Featured articles Featured lists ← Featured pictures Featured topics Featured list tools: Featured list criteria Featured list candidates Featured list removal candidates Featured list statistics Wikipedians by promoted featured list nominations Today's featured list This month's queue TFL submissions TFL statistics Featured lists that have appeared as TFL Featured lists yet to appear as TFL Featured list log Random featured list Former featured lists Removal candidates log

Nomination procedure Before nominating a list, ensure that it meets all of the FL criteria and that any peer reviews are closed and archived. Place {{subst:FLC}} on the talk page of the nominated list. From the FLC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please leave a post on the FLC talk page for assistance. Below the preloaded title, complete the nomination page, sign with ~~~~ and save the page. Finally, place {{Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/name of nominated list/archiveNumber}} at the top of the list of nominees on this page by first copying the above, clicking "edit" on the top of this page, and then pasting, making sure to add the name of the nominated list. When adding a candidate, mention the name of the list in the edit summary. Reviewing procedure Please read a nominated list fully before deciding to support or oppose a nomination. To respond to a nomination, click the "Edit" link to the right of the list nomination (not the "Edit this page" link for the whole FLC page). To support a nomination, write * '''Support''', followed by your reason(s). If you have been a significant contributor to the list before its nomination, please indicate this. Supports are weighted more strongly if they are given alongside justifications that indicate that the list was fully reviewed; a nomination is not just a straight vote. To oppose a nomination, write * '''Oppose''', followed by your reason(s). Each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed. If nothing can be done in principle to address the objection, the director may ignore it. Please focus your attention on substantive issues or inconsistencies, rather than personal style preferences. Reviewers who object are strongly encouraged to return after a few days to check whether their objection has been addressed, and nominators are encouraged to use {{reply to}} or other templates to notify reviewers when replying. To withdraw an objection, strike it out (with <s> ... </s>), rather than removing it. If a nominator feels that an oppose vote has been addressed, they should say so, rather than striking out the reviewer's text. Nominators should not cap, alter, strike, or add graphics to comments from other editors; replies are added below the signature on the reviewer's commentary. If a nominator finds that an opposing reviewer is not returning to the nomination page to revisit improvements, this should be noted on the nomination page. Graphics (such as {{done}} and {{not done}}) are discouraged, as they slow down the page load time. To provide constructive input on a nomination without specifically supporting or objecting, write * '''Comment''' followed by your advice.

Nominations urgently needing reviews edit · history · watch · refresh The following lists were nominated almost 2 months ago and have had their review time extended because objections are still being addressed, the nomination has not received enough reviews, or insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met. If you have not yet reviewed them, please take the time to do so: 2023–24 figure skating season (FLC) List of state presidents of the Indian National Congress (FLC) Terminology of transgender anatomy (FLC) List of heads of government of Liechtenstein (FLC) List of Women's Basketball Academic All-America Team Members of the Year (FLC) List of artwork at the United States Capitol complex (FLC) edit · history · watch · refresh The following lists were nominated for removal more than 14 days ago: 30 Rock season 1 (FLRC)

Nominations

Flo Milli discography

Nominator(s): Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I have been editing and making this at least FL quality and formatting it for a bit of time and now just deciding to nominate it. Have looked at recent FLs and do believe it reaches the maximum that I can improve it for. So have at it and have fun! Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "Flo Milli released two singles, "Beef FloMix" and "In the Party" and were a breakthrough hit" - this doesn't make sense grammatically, as it says that the artist herself "were a breakthrough hit". Assuming you mean the songs, how can two songs be "a breakthrough hit" (singular)
• "Due to the success of her first two singles, Flo Milli signed to '94 Sound and RCA Records after gaining popularity on social media" - so was the success of her singles down to "gaining popularity on social media"? Currently you are giving two different reasons for her signing
• "Flo Milli released her debut mixtape, Ho, Why Is You Here?, the following year." - as you haven't mentioned any years up to this point, saying "the following year" is meaningless
• "In 2021, her debut singles "In the Party" and "Beef FloMix"" - by definition an artist can only ever have one debut single, not multiple
• "started working on her debut studio album, You Still Here, Ho? which was" => "started working on her debut studio album, You Still Here, Ho?, which was"
• "number 46 in Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums[4]. " - refs go after punctuation, not before
• " "Conceited", one of the singles in You Still Here, Ho?, had been certified gold " => " "Conceited", one of the singles taken from You Still Here, Ho?, was certified gold "
• "Between You Still here, Ho? and her latest album, Fine Ho, Stay, Flo Milli had released multiple singles" => "Between You Still here, Ho? and her latest album, Fine Ho, Stay, Flo Milli released multiple singles"
• "such as "Einstein", "No Love Shemix", "Anything Flows" " => "such as "Einstein", "No Love Shemix", and "Anything Flows" "
• "as a part of a brand deal with 7-Eleven[5]," => "as part of a brand deal with 7-Eleven[5]," (also note again that refs go after punctuation)
• "In late 2023, she released "Never Lose Me" as the lead single for Fine Ho, Stay and reached number 15" => "In late 2023, she released "Never Lose Me" as the lead single for Fine Ho, Stay, which reached number 15"
• "In 2024, she released Fine Ho, Stay and debuted and peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200" => "In 2024, she released Fine Ho, Stay, which debuted and peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200"
• Singles which did not chart will all need references to confirm that they were released/exist -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude:, Fixed everything except the additional sources which I will be adding soon, gonna look for secondary sources but most are most likely gonna have to be primary sadly .Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 23:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

More comments

• "Flo Milli released two singles, "Beef FloMix" and "In the Party" and were both a breakthrough hit" - this isn't grammatically correct. It should be "and both were" not "and were both", and also two songs can't be "a hit" (singular). I would also suggest that an act can only have one "breakthrough hit" as after that they have already broken through.
• "After the success of her first two singles, Milli signed to '94 Sound and RCA Records after gaining popularity on social media" - this still doesn't make sense to me. Is it meant to suggest that the two singles were successful, then she gained popularity on social media and then she signed with those labels?
• "her debut studio album, You Still Here, Ho? which was released" => "her debut studio album, You Still Here, Ho?, which was released"
• "as a part of a brand deal with 7-Eleven" - as I said above, this should be "as part of a brand deal with 7-Eleven"
• ""B.T.W." as a cover of Blow the Whistle,[6] "Fruit Loop", "Chocolate Rain", and "BGC"." - firstly, is "Blow the Whistle" a song? If so, it should be in quote marks. Also, you say that one song was a cover of four different songs - this isn't possible. Do you mean it contains elements of all those songs? If that's the case, it would also be worth saying who those songs are by, as just saying "BGC" (a song which I have personally never heard of and which appears to have no article to fill me in) doesn't really give any context
• "In 2024, she released Fine Ho, Stay which debuted " => "In 2024, she released Fine Ho, Stay, which debuted " -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude:, For the fifth bullet point, I think you had it mixed up. It's supposed to be a list of her singles that she released in between her mixtape and her second album, not that the one single has elements of the others as Fruit Loop, Chocolate Rain, and BGC are her singles. I've added semicolons instead of regular commas, does it read better now?

@ChrisTheDude:, @IanTEB:: Gonna ping you both here because I am getting mixed responses from both of you on the same thing. In her early career, Flo Milli released two singles, "Beef FloMix" and "In the Party" and both were breakthrough hits. After the success of her first two singles on social media and the gain of popularity, Milli signed to '94 Sound and RCA Records are the sentences in question and I am getting one way how to do it and another way saying that I should do it this way and it's like hitting a rock into a brick wall.. it ain't gon do nothing.

Hey man im josh

Review is based on this version of the page.

Source review: Pending

• Wikilinking to websites/publishers/sources is inconsistent (some linked, some not), please add wikilinks where appropriate
• Use YouTube as the capitalization instead of Youtube
• Ref 1 – Add subscription status to reference
• Ref 6 – Currently all caps, which is not desirable, and the source uses a different capitalization
• Refs 9 and 11 – Duplicate ref, merge them
• Refs 10 and 67 – Duplicate ref, merge them
• Ref 12 – Remove "(News)" from the website field. Alternatively, use Template:Cite press release
• Ref 25 – Uses "Fader" instead of "The Fader", like refs 64 and 70. This is also a duplicate of 64, so they should be merged.
• Ref 28 – Link is dead, mark is as such
• Ref 29 – Target article for the website is Uproxx, match this capitalization (also for consistency with ref 69)
• Refs 30, 91, and 100 – Require subscription access, mark as such
• Refs 32 and 34 – These show the website as "Revolt TV", whereas there are 11 other references that simply use "Revolt"
• Ref 51 – Seems link an incorrect link, perhaps this is what you were looking for?
• Ref 55 – Shift from all caps to title case
• Note B – "I Am" did not enter Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, but peaked at number 19 on R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Song Sales.[51] – The source in my above comment shows it peaked at 15
• Refs 76 and 77 – Website is currently listed as "RapUp", but should be Rap-Up based on the target (and to match ref 100)
• Ref 86 – Shift from all caps to title case
• Refs 91 and 101 – Website should be Rolling Stone, not "RollingStone"
• Ref 95 – Add subscription status to reference

That's what I've got for now, please ping me when the above issues have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixed all except Ref 10 and 67 from your version which were two different sources, one is a Billboard link and one is a Revolt link. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 23:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Forgot to ping: @Hey man im josh:

IanTEB

I also have a FL nomination open for Gen Hoshino discography, so if you'd like to leave any comments it would be greatly appreciated.

First paragraph

• In her early career, Flo Milli released two singles, "Beef FloMix" and "In the Party" and were a breakthrough hit - I would reword this a little bit, here's a suggestion: 'Flo Milli released her debut singles, "Beef FloMix" and "In the Party", in 2019, which were successful.'
• Due to the success of her first two singles, Flo Milli signed to '94 Sound and RCA Records after gaining popularity on social media - this feels a little contradictory, since it attributes her signing to both her debut singles and popularity on social media, but presents these in different parts of the sentence which makes it a little bit confusing. Maybe just replace 'Due to the success of her first two singles' with 'Subsequently'?
• In 2021, her debut singles "In the Party" and "Beef FloMix" were certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America - I don't think these don't need introduction again when they were mentioned only a few sentences earlier. In my opinion, this information should be moved into their earlier introduction.
• After releasing her debut mixtape Milli started working on her debut studio album - if my previous point is addressed, this should be reworded to something along the lines of: 'After its release, Milli started working on her debut studio album [...]'
• By the way, usage of the artist's name in the first paragraph feels a little repetive to me. Try to switch it out for pronouns if appropriate
• and peaked at number 78 in the Billboard 200 - 'in' should be 'on'
• Citation after Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums should be placed after the fullstop.
• 'Conceited', one of the singles in You Still Here, Ho? - album name doesn't need to be repeated; this could just say: "'Conceited', one of its singles, [...]"
• had been certified gold by the RIAA - 'had' should be 'has'

Second paragraph

• Citations after 7-Eleven and Blow the Whistle should come after the comma
• Fine Ho, Stay should be linked on the earliest mention; currently its linked on the second
• and reached number 15 in the Billboard Hot 100 - 'in' to 'on'
• In 2024, she released Fine Ho, Stay and debuted and peaked at number - 'and debuted' → 'which debuted'
• Information about her second album seems a little all over the second paragraph. Meghan Trainor discography might have clues for improving the flow a bit

List

• Shouldn't the first instance of 'Digital download' be linked to Music download?
• Text should be added above the Singles tables like all other sections
• List of music video appearances, indicating, where applicable, the associated album, directors, and other performers - 'indicating, where applicable,' could be removed since this is assumed. Like all tables, "List of music videos, with ..." would be more concise.

Most of these should be easy fixes. Hopefully nothing is of much difficulty. IanTEB (talk) 15:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@IanTEB:, Question: For your fifth bullet about the second paragraph, it doesn't make sense to me what you mean by "all over the place". The information about her second album is in just the last two sentences. But other than that issue, should all be fixed. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 23:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I read through the article again and I'll leave a bit explanation + a few remaining comments:

• The second mention of You Still Here, Ho? in the lead does not capitalize the 'h' in 'Here'
• After the success of her first two singles on social media and the gain of popularity - wouldn't it make more sense to say 'After the success of her first two singles,'?
• Between You Still here, Ho? and her latest album, Fine Ho, Stay - I personally think it would be better to specify timespan her. What year/s?
• I find the list of singles in the second paragraph a little difficult to understand on first read. It might be better to divide it up
• Is "B.T.W." a cover of "Blow the Whistle"? If so, link in the Singles as lead artist list and maybe change the wording, e.g. to 'she covered Too Short's "Blow the Whistle" on the single "B.T.W." '
• What I mean by the fifth bullet point you mentioned is that the second album is mentioned throughout most of the second paragraph, when that information should be more collected. My suggestion would be to alter In late 2023, she released "Never Lose Me" as the lead single for Fine Ho, Stay to remove mention of the album. Then change the sentence after to: "Never Lose Me" supported her second album, Fine Ho, Stay (2024), which [...]

I hope this clarifies. IanTEB (talk) 19:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

1990–91 snooker world rankings

Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Steve Davis's seven-year run at the top of the rankings was ended by Stephen Hendry. As usual, Alex Higgins was in trouble with the snooker authorities: he was docked 25 points which dropped him from 14th to 97th. All improvement suggestions are welcome, and relevant extracts from offline sources can be provided to reviewers. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

76th Primetime Emmy Awards

Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk & RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating the 2024 Primetime Emmys for featured list because we believe it has great potential to become a Featured List. I followed how the 2020, 2021, and 2022 were written and structured. Note: I also listed RunningTiger123 as a co-nominator since he made considerable and significant contributions to this list. Birdienest81talk 17:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The award ceremony" - is this an Americanism? I am British and we would say "awards ceremony" but maybe American usage is different......?
• "The aforementioned program was " - I think just "It was" would be fine
• "they along with D'Pharaoh Woon-A-Tai of the series Reservation Dogs were the first " => "along with D'Pharaoh Woon-A-Tai of the series Reservation Dogs they were the first "
• "Nominations and wins by network" - are all these really "networks"? Is Netflix or BBC America a "network"? Maybe "Nominations and wins by broadcaster" would be better.....?
• "He also called the choice of Jelly Roll's performance of "I Am Not Okay" as "tonally questionably" " => "He also called the choice of Jelly Roll's performance of "I Am Not Okay" "tonally questionably" " or "He also described the choice of Jelly Roll's performance of "I Am Not Okay" as "tonally questionably" " -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  All done except the network item – previous years use the term "network" and it's often the term used in other sources (e.g., Variety, Deadline, Television Academy) so consistency might be better here. RunningTiger123 (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

List of World Heritage Sites in New Zealand

Nominator(s): Tone 10:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

New Zealand has 3 WHS and 8 sites on the tentative list. Standard style. Since both Senegal and Ecuador lists have been promoted, this is the sole nominaton from my side at the moment. Tone 10:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Commments

MPGuy2824

• ", it became in 1993 the first site" => ", in 1993 it became the first site"
• "between the people and the nature".
• "until the early 1980s but now survives" - Add a comma after "1980s"
• "is characterized by" - Use a different phrase.
• "maintains 8eight properties" - I think just the numeral was intended.
• "shaped by the volcanic activities" => "shaped by volcanic activity".
• I'm unsure whether "Te Whare Runanga" needs to be italicized or not.
• The image for "Kermadec Islands and Marine reserve" is missing alt-text.
• "November 22, 1984" - Convert to dmy format, for consistency.

-MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! I added Māori meeting house to Te Whare Runanga, the article does not used italic. Tone 11:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The remaining glaciers are limited to the slopes of the Mount Ruapehu." => "The remaining glaciers are limited to the slopes of Mount Ruapehu."
• "the ancient Gondwana biota" - what's a "biota"? Never heard that word before.
• That's it! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Done. Biota refers to animal and plant life, I linked to biome, which is the most direct link. Tone 08:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

List of Detroit Lions NFL All-Decade Team selections

Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 19:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Another Detroit Lions list, which I hope will be my seventh Detroit Lions featured list. NFL All-Decade Teams are meant to represent the best players in each decade. It's a significant accolade which is weighted fairly heavily when considering a player's candidacy for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's based on List of Green Bay Packers NFL All-Decade Team selections, which was promoted on September 10th of this year. Please let me know if there are any issues or concerns and I'll do my best to respond in a timely manner. Thank you in advance to anybody willing to review or provide any feedback! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Gonzo_fan2007

• The most recent Lions selections were for the 2010s Team: Calvin Johnson and Ndamukong Suh. --> The most recent Lions' selections were Calvin Johnson and Ndamukong Suh as part of the 2010s Team.

Support That's all I got Hey man im josh. Nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the base that I built this on, thanks for taking a look, and thanks for the helpful feedback as always @Gonzo fan2007! Done. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "did change from decade-to-decade" => "did change from decade to decade"
• "TThe most recent Lions' selections" - there's a stray extra T at the start. Also I think "The Lions' most recent selections" would read more naturally
• That's it I think! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hey @ChrisTheDude, I've made the changes. Thanks so much for looking this over for me! Hey man im josh (talk) 23:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Airship

• The second lead paragraph is pretty chunky; consider splitting it.
• The tenses in this paragraph are slightly confusing, in switching from past to present: (" Each team was selected by the Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee, which is primarily made up of national sportswriters. The Selection Committee is asked...") I would suggest changing the "was selected" to "has been selected" or something similar.
• "to develop the team" I'm not sure "develop" is the right word for a selection from scratch, maybe "construct"?
• Are we sure that "team" should be capitalised e.g. in "2010s Team"?
• "although starting with the 2010s Team" implies that this will become a pattern, but CRYSTALBALL applies.
• "although standard offensive, defensive and special teams positions were always included, the position names, types of positions and the number of positions did change from decade to decade" again the tenses are a bit odd, would suggest changing to "have always been included" and "have changed".
• Mind glossing what the "Pride of the Lions" is?
• If you have Calvin Johnson as the lead image, you might as well have Ndamukong Suh too ({{multiple image}} may be helpful here). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

List of accolades received by Jojo Rabbit

Nominator(s): Sgubaldo (talk) 19:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

For my seventh accolades FLC, I have the 2019 film Jojo Rabbit by Taika Waititi. As usual, the style is the same as other existing FLs of this kind. Sgubaldo (talk) 19:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

• The table is missing its caption. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Added. Sgubaldo (talk) 09:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

2 Drive-by 2 comment

I'll do a full review later but the infobox has a hide/show option that doesn't seem to be working Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

It seems to work in Vector 2010, but probably none of the other skins. See this discussion. Sgubaldo (talk) 08:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• Opening paragraph is unsourced
• "Others criticised how the film handled the handled the sensitivities" - couple of repeated words there
• Waititi's name on the AACTA International Awards row does not sort correctly
• That's it, I think! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude, done. Let me know if it's enough for the opening paragraph. Sgubaldo (talk) 11:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  None of It stars Roman Griffin Davis as Johannes "Jojo" Betzler, a ten-year-old Hitler Youth member who finds out that his mother (Scarlett Johansson) is hiding a Jewish girl (Thomasin McKenzie) in their attic. He must then question his beliefs while dealing with the intervention of his imaginary friend, a fanciful version of Adolf Hitler (played by Waititi) with a comedic stance on the politics of the war. The film also features Sam Rockwell, Rebel Wilson, Stephen Merchant, and Alfie Allen. is sourced. Are you treating this a plot summary that doesn't need explicit sourcing? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  I was. I shortened it slightly. Sgubaldo (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not sure the list of people who also starred is really covered by that disclaimer, but I would imagine it would be easy enough to source..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Sourced, @ChrisTheDude. Sgubaldo (talk) 08:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Drive by comment by Birdienest81

The only comment I have for now is all titles of films and TV shows should be italicized per MOS:CONFORMTITLE. If you have the time could you review 76th Primetime Emmy Awards for featured list promotion?

--Birdienest81talk 07:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

List of municipalities in Ciudad Real

Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC) and Alavense (talk)

This list is one more step in our quest to bring up the list of municipalities of Spanish provinces up to the standard seen in the other featured lists of municipalities. Alavense has made considerable changes based on our last nominations which currently has 3 supports. This one should go smoothly as we are always building on previous suggestions, but we are happy to make any recommended changes. Thanks for all your comments in advance! Mattximus (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The Statute of Autonomy of Castilla–La Mancha also contains provisions concerning the relations between the municipalities and the autonomous government of Castilla–La Mancha" - is this meant to be in here, given that we are not talking about that province......?
• That's it I think! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

ChrisTheDude: The province of Ciudad Real is part of the autonomous community of Castilla–La Mancha, so those provisions do apply. The autonomous community is the first-level administrative division and the province is the second-level one. Alavense (talk) 14:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Apologies, it literally says that in the first sentence! Happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

MPGuy2824

• Many of the refs are missing their archive links. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, MPGuy2824. As stated in previous nominations, it's impossible to archive many of the references, given that they are selections of data from the general set of municipalities. I archived those I could, but the ones which provide population figures cannot be archived, I'm afraid. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 09:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

List of chronic pain syndromes

Nominator(s): IntentionallyDense (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it is an important topic and I've put a lot of time into it. I know medical pages can be scary for some but this one is hopefully a bit more straightforward. I have PDFs of all the publications used if needed. I chose to use SFNs to make reviewing easier. I chose not to use tables for this list as it didn't seem appropriate. I tried my hardest to simplify all the medical information but if anything is unclear please let me know. I did struggle a bit with rewording things in a way that wasn't too close to the source but still kept the original meaning so if my wording seems awkward at times please let me know and I will try my hardest to reword things. IntentionallyDense (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@IntentionallyDense: you haven't completed all the steps to nominate this for FL as laid out in WP:FLC. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, it makes sense why I haven't gotten any input then. IntentionallyDense (talk) 12:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

List of constituencies of the Punjab Legislative Assembly

Nominator(s): -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

My 10th FL nom and the 6th in the constituency series. I've improved the lead and history sections, cleaned up clutter from the table, and brought the table accessibility to FL-standards. Similar, recent FL: Madhya Pradesh -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by Comment

• Ref. 3 doesn't have a website parameter and Ref. 25 is broken. Sgubaldo (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Sgubaldo: Fixed both issues. Thanks for pointing them out. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

List of Pau Grand Prix winners

Nominator(s): EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 14:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The Pau Grand Prix is a motor race held on the Circuit de Pau-Ville street circuit in the commune of Pau in southwestern France. Famous names such as Lewis Hamilton, Alberto Ascari, Juan Manuel Fangio, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, René Arnoux and Tazio Nuvolari have won this race that has been held to the rules of various racing categories over the years. All comments are welcome EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 14:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The ACBB was first inspired to hold race" => "The ACBB was first inspired to hold a (or possibly the) race"
• The key looks a bit odd with the bullet before each symbol, I would be tempted to remove the bullets (and replace with a colon for indentation)
• Done this as a table instead EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• "Star design denotes multiple races were held" - I think simply "Denotes that multiple races were held" is fine. You don't say "dagger denotes..." and "double dagger denotes...." for the other two
• Think that's it! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: Edits have been made to the article based on the issues raised above EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

MPGuy2824

• While sorting the table, the years when the race wasn't held sometimes comes on top. You'll have to ensure that it sorts at the bottom.

I couldn't find any other problems with table accessibility. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• @MPGuy2824: I believe I have made the necessary amendments to the table that you raised EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 10:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  Since one of the rows has two references, the column header for the last column can be changed to {{Ref.}}. I trust you'll fix this. Support promotion on table accessibility and prose. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

List of Billboard Easy Listening number ones of 1977

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

With the 1975 list having just been promoted and the 1976 list having multiple supports, here's 1977. Here we have a song from a Bond film, a song from a disco film, and a song from a film which is that Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper film but forty years earlier. Feedback as ever will be gratefully received and swiftly acted upon! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

(No) Comments by Alavense

I got nothing. Support. Nice work, as always. Alavense (talk) 07:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

MPGuy2824

• Chris, the Carly Simon image is from 1989, while the Barbra Streisand one is from 1965. Both captions will need a "pictured in 19XX".
• the "January 8" ref and ref3 (Saturday Night Fever) are missing archive links.

I didn't see any problems with the prose or table accessibility. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824: - done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Support -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

NØ

Placeholder. I am seeking comments on a current FAC on urgent basis in case you are interested.--NØ 06:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - I have to agree with the other reviewers that there are no issues here. Another great list to join the series!--NØ 16:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

Source review: Passed

• Reliable enough for the information being cited
• Consistent date formatting
• Consistent and proper reference formatting
• Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
• Spot checks on 10 sources match what they are being cited for

I got nothing. Yet another great nomination by Chris. Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

List of Detroit Lions Pro Bowl selections

Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The Pro Bowl is the National Football League's version of an all-star game, and an accolade that's very often discussed when comparing players and considering their candidacy for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I'm excited to nominate this list in hopes it'll be my sixth Detroit Lions featured list. It's based on List of Green Bay Packers Pro Bowl selections, which was promoted in March of this year. Please let me know if there are any issues or concerns and I'll do my best to respond in a timely manner. Thank you in advance to anybody willing to review or provide any feedback! Hey man im josh (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I often wonder what would have happened if we had drafted Barry Sanders instead of Tony Mandarich. This list reminded me :( As the originator of the Packers companion list, I don't see any issues. Nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the review @Gonzo fan2007 and the original that I based this off! If you had drafted Barry... he might be universally recognized as the GOAT like he should be and he might not have retired early lol. You also wouldn't be able to point out that people who have a claim for the best peak at their positions (Barry and Calvin Johnson) both retired with plenty left in the tank (quietly sobs in Lions fandom before remembering the current team's trajectory). Hey man im josh (talk) 03:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• MOS:GEOLINK for Detroit, Michigan.
• The Lions compete in the National Football League (NFL) as a member - Would it be better to say as members?
• Five of these exhibition games were played, with the last occurring after the 1942 NFL season before the NFL reduced the number of teams and games in the season due to players serving in World War II - I think a comma between season and before would make it clearer?
• following the 1950 NFL season. From the 1950 season - A bit repetitive. Maybe something like From that season?
• or the fact they are playing - or the fact that they are playing?
• If a Pro Bowl selectee ... alternates are named in the players' place - Two things: 1) it should be in the player's place; and 2) how many alternates are named in one player's place? If it's only one, then it should be an alternate is named in the player's place. If that's the case, have a look at the following sentence as well.
• selections with 10, while Yale Lary (nine selections), and Lou Creekmur (eight selections) round out the top four - 9 selections and 8 selections, as per MOS:NUMNOTES.
• Regarding the images, I guess it would be nice to have links to the playing positions, but I don't think it's possible for most of the cases, as including them would create seas of blue...
• I think it would be better to be consistent and always state when each picture was taken, as long as it's possible and as long as the picture is not contemporary to the decade alongside which it's included. Jason Hanson, for instance.

That's what I saw, Hey man im josh. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 08:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding @Alavense, I'm back to my regular activity now and will be responding in a much more timely manner.

• I've applied the MOS:GEOLINK fix to all of the Detroit Lions articles I've worked on.
• The Lions compete in the National Football League (NFL) as a member - Would it be better to say as members? – I don't think so in this case as the team itself is a singular entity.
• Five of these exhibition games were played, with the last occurring after the 1942 NFL season before the NFL reduced the number of teams and games in the season due to players serving in World War II - I think a comma between season and before would make it clearer? – Done.
• following the 1950 NFL season. From the 1950 season - A bit repetitive. Maybe something like From that season? – While I agree it's a bit repetitive, I'm a bit hesitant because I want to be absolutely clear in the wording, and with all the years thrown out it might get a bit confusing if not clearly stated in my opinion.
• or the fact they are playing - or the fact that they are playing? – Done.
• If a Pro Bowl selectee ... alternates are named in the players' place - Two things: 1) it should be in the player's place; and 2) how many alternates are named in one player's place? If it's only one, then it should be an alternate is named in the player's place. If that's the case, have a look at the following sentence as well. – Only one alternate player replaces each selectee. I believe I've addressed this by changing the text to ...an alternate is named in the player's place. Alternate players are still considered official Pro Bowl selectees.
• selections with 10, while Yale Lary (nine selections), and Lou Creekmur (eight selections) round out the top four - 9 selections and 8 selections, as per MOS:NUMNOTES. – I can't recall which of my past FLCs this has come up in, but mentally I had a bit of an understanding that >10, use digits, and less than 10 use words. Nevertheless, I've made those changes, and I hope I can sort out why I had this thought in my head.
• Regarding the images, I guess it would be nice to have links to the playing positions, but I don't think it's possible for most of the cases, as including them would create seas of blue... – I agree, it's a problem with sea of blue in my experience, and the terms are already included in the table when necessary, except for the two examples highlighted below by ChrisTheDude, which have been addressed.
• I think it would be better to be consistent and always state when each picture was taken, as long as it's possible and as long as the picture is not contemporary to the decade alongside which it's included. Jason Hanson, for instance. – I responded to a point about this same thing at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Detroit Lions draft picks (1970–present)/archive1, in which I stated I typically only did this for instances where an image shows a person who's not currently in playing shape/attire. Unfortunately it's difficult to determine the year in a lot of instances. If I had it my way, it would be players in Lions gear the entire way through with no years being necessary to state. But I felt it better to include images of the players in their 60s as opposed to vast parts with no images at all. In short, I don't think it's quite necessary to add this information if it's not outside the realm of when they may have been playing.

I hope that addresses everything. Thank you so much for taking the time to review this nomination! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the replies. I'm happy with all of them. Support. Alavense (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The Lions first selections " => "The Lions' first selections "
• Some terms in image captions would benefit from links: return specialist, sack
• That's it! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  Sorry for the delay @ChrisTheDude, I'm back to my regular activity now and I believe I've addressed all of your concerns. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Green Bay Packers all-time roster

Nominator(s): « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This was tough. Over 1,800 entries for the Packers all-time roster. For this list, I will note that I weighed two variables higher than I usually do: article size and reliability. I created this roster in the simplest form I could to facilitate ease of updating. No need for 50+ entries to be updated with their tenure, games played, positions, etc. If they played one, game then they get added. As somewhat of a precedent, Outline of lichens provides a good example of a massive list that is primarily just bulleted data, allowing for proper organization/sorting but not providing any additional details on the entries. As always, happy to address any concerns (one note, I have a 2024 holding area on the talk page, if this is a concern and there is a desire for the list to be up-to-date per the most recent game, let me know and I will do it). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

• What's actually sourcing the list? Is it ref 4? If so, I would make it a "general" ref above the numbered reflist -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
  • ChrisTheDude, done! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Not an official 'review', since I'm not familiar with FLC, but I came up with two points from looking at the list: (i) did 'Earl Smith' (the lone redlink) really play for the Packers? I can't find him at PFR nor PFA; (ii) is it correct to say that Roster sizes have evolved since the early days of the NFL, growing from 18 roster spots in 1921 to the upper 40s by the 2020s.? The gameday roster is 47/48 active players but overall the 'active roster' can contain 53 if I remember correctly (see Template:Green Bay Packers roster which has 53 active). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

BeanieFan11, great comments. I will admit that Earl Smith (American football) frustrated me. I did some more investigation and realized that he and Mike Merriweather never recorded a game played but are still included in the Packers' all-time roster. If you search on the Packers all-time roster for games played less than 1, those two come up. I will address this with a note and remove them from the main list. I will fix it to say the low 50s and add a note. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd keep Merriweather, as the list says it is for those who have played at least one regular season or postseason game – and per PFR he appeared for them in the playoffs. Likewise you could add Keshawn Banks, who appeared in one playoff game last year. I don't see why they have Smith in the all-time roster, though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Added both BeanieFan11. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

As you added Merriweather and Banks to the list, you should probably remove Merriweather from note one (Packers.com includes Earl Smith and Mike Merriweather on their all-time roster, but neither played in a game for the team. As such, they are excluded from this list). BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

*facepalm* thanks BeanieFan11! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Further comment

• Is there an existing "standard" for NFL all-time roster lists? I only ask because if you look at equivalent lists for association football, e.g. List of Arsenal F.C. players, the standard format includes more information i.e. the dates of a player's career, their nationality, their playing position, and their stats, whereas this article is just literally a list of names. Appreciate that stats might not be appropriate in this case given that players are not all measured in the same way and nationality might be excessive as they are/were probably pretty much all American, but would giving the positions and dates not be beneficial to the reader? Just a thought...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

ChrisTheDude, there is no WP:NFL standard that I am aware of. If you look at almost all the team lists (easily looked at List of NFL players), they are a mix of just bare lists all the way to tables. That said, my reasoning on this list was based on accuracy, ease of updating and page size. If you go back and look at all of those lists, none are actually up-to-date. Seeing as this list is currently over 1,800 players and grows by about 30 a year, it just becomes too cumbersome and difficult to update when you have to include years and games. Positions become difficult too, as many early players played like 6 different positions. That will also increase the size of the page exponentially, necessitating splitting it at some point, making navigation and updating even harder. The companion of this list, Lists of Green Bay Packers players, provides easy navigation to the type of tabular lists that provide that information. And per WP:NOTSTATS, if you really want to dive into a searchable statistical database, you probably go elsewhere then Wikipedia (Pro-Football-Reference.com, as an example). Lastly, the criteria say where appropriate, it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items. I think the where appropriate part provides the type of wiggle-room that has led Outline of lichens, for example, to be a FL, and what I am looking for here. I wanted a page that I could conceivably manage each season and maintain a high level of accuracy. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. I now note that you said pretty much all of that in the nomination statement that I was clearly too lazy to read ;-P -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Hahaha no worries! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

ChrisTheDude, I just wanted to note that WikiOriginal-9 has been doing a crazy amount of work on these lists, including creating List of NFL players and all of its sub-articles, as well as overhauling each list, completely separate from my work on this list. They have chosen this standard format for all of the lists they have overhauled, standardizing this across the board. See for example List of New York Giants players (A–Kim). The only difference being my use of a general source for the list, which then removes the need for 1,800 references, helping keep the page size and loading times down. But from a standard layout, including not providing position/year/college data, I think this is now the acceptable format. Does this satisfy your concerns and provide an avenue for you to support the nomination? Thanks for any insight you can provide. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Just for the record, I did check this list as well and totaled the same number of players as Gonzo, so it's 100% accurate. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

ChrisTheDude just wanted to note that I have added some symbology for the players in the HOF and for players in the GB HOF. Let me know if there is anything I can do to address any concerns you have. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

List of Billboard Easy Listening number ones of 1976

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

With 1974 having just been promoted and 1975 having plenty of support, here is the list for 1976. In this particular year, Billboard began compiling this particular chart based on airplay alone, a policy which has remained ever since. Although the tide was slightly starting to turn in terms of easy listening music also dominating top 40 radio, there was still enough crossover for a chilled-out guy in a sailor's hat and his wife to have the biggest-selling single of the year. Comments as ever will be most gratefully received and as swiftly acted upon as humanly possible..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• from the television show "Welcome Back, Kotter" - The title of the TV show should be in italics, rather than between quotation marks. There are two instances of this.
• A number of Easy Listening number ones of 1976 also topped the Hot 100 including - I'd add a comma before including.

That's what I saw, ChrisTheDude. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Alavense - thanks - both done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Support. Nice work. Alavense (talk) 08:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Gonzo_fan2007

• It may be helpful to define what "easy listening" music is.
• With effect from --> easier to just say In
• Source review: sources are appropriate for what is being cited, are formatted consistently and spot checks matched.

Support, source review passed. Neither recommendation would prevent my support. Nice work ChrisTheDude. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Gonzo_fan2007 - I changed the second one. I'm going to pass on the first one if that's OK, as Billboard did not provide any more in-depth definition of what songs/styles were eligible for the chart, so to attempt to define it would (IMO) be bordering on OR.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

Source review: Passed

• Reliable enough for the information being cited
• Consistent date formatting
• Consistent and proper reference formatting
• Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
• Spot checks on 10 sources match what they are being cited for

I know Gonzo did a source review, but I typically like to as well, and I found no issues with the sources. My only feedback is that you should change Only Love is Real to Only Love Is Real, based on the target article's capitalization. I'm confident you'll address this, as you normally do, so I'll note my support. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: - thanks for your review. I'm not 100% convinced that the capitalisation of that article title is actually correct, but I agree that it makes sense to match it here so I have done so! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Older nominations

List of municipalities in Cuenca

Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 22:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC) and Alavense (talk)

This list is one more step in our quest to bring up the list of municipalities of Spanish provinces up to the standard seen in the other featured lists of municipalities. Alavense has made considerable changes based on our last nominations. Should go smoother each nomination but we are happy to make any recommended changes. Thanks for all your comments in advance! Mattximus (talk) 22:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• My only query is that normally in sortable lists of songs/books/films/whatever, any entry that starts with "The" sorts based on the next word in the name. Just wondering if that should also apply here to any starting with "El/La/Los".......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Definitely. Please let me know if I've done that properly, ChrisTheDude. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - I see no concerns with this list after a review. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 14:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Gonzo_fan2007

• As of the 2023 Spanish census, the province is the 44th largest by population with 198,436 inhabitants[1] but the 5th largest by land area, spanning 17,138.65 km2 (6,617.27 sq mi). --> As of the 2023 Spanish census, the province is the 44th largest by population, with 198,436 inhabitants,[1] and the 5th largest by land area, spanning 17,138.65 km2 (6,617.27 sq mi). Done
• division in Spain,[3] and can only comma isn't needed. Done
• Unless there is some weird European thing I am unaware of, Firefighting is one word. Done
• You are inconsistent with the Oxford comma. The last sentence of the second paragraph doesn't use it, although it is used elsewhere.

• Done - Caught 2 instances and added the Oxford comma.

Nice work @Mattximus and Alavense:. That's all I got. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

• All changes made, thanks (talk)! Mattximus (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Support nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Gen Hoshino discography

Nominator(s): IanTEB (talk) 13:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I've been working on Gen Hoshino articles for around a year. Though there are several more topics I've yet to cover, I thought it would be useful to expand upon this discography page for an outline, and have decided to nominate it for FL. Though I've contributed to a few GAs, this is my first experience with the featured content process. I'm sure there’s many issues that I am unaware of and any/all feedback would be appreciated.

I don't know if I'm making this nomination description too long, but a few of the Japanese sources used I believe are new to featured content nominations on enwiki, so I'd like to explain my usage rationales for a few. Active since 2013, Real Sound is (in my experience) an authority source on Japanese music. They have interviews with high-profile artists (including Hoshino) and have several writers I recognize from other sites, some of which also with articles on Japanese Wikipedia. Rockin'On Japan is the website of a print magazine running since 1972. Similar case to Real Sound. I’ve used the online CDJournal on almost all my GAs without issue. They have an editorial team that publishes reviews for CD singles and albums, spanning several years. I see them sort of as the Japanese AllMusic.

I'll try my best to fix any issues brought up. Any comments are appreciated! IanTEB (talk) 13:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• It took me a while to figure it out but when you say "For double A-side singles, the first two columns refers to the A-side tracks, and the third column refers to chart positions, sales, and certifications for the double A-side release", I think what you actually mean is "For double A-side singles, the first two rows refers to the A-side tracks, and the third row refers to chart positions, sales, and certifications for the double A-side release" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, thank you; I've amended the article. Having such a note is from the start a little unusual, but it's the best solution I could come up with since there's instances of one double A-side having three different peaks on a singular chart. IanTEB (talk) 11:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• "which decisively opened at first" => "which debuted at number one"
• "on the Billboard Japan Hot Albums and" => "on the Billboard Japan Hot Albums chart and"
• "Sixth place on Billboard Japan's year-end ranking for 2016" => "Placing sixth on Billboard Japan's year-end ranking for 2016"
• Why do you list the full track listings for the two indie releases but not for any of his official albums? I would suggest that the norm is not to show it for any album
• Do his most recent three albums not have Japanese titles?
• Never seen "streaming playlists" in a discography article but I guess in this day and age it's valid........?
• "though it would still peak at number 40 on the chart in December 2016" => "although it still peaked at number 40 on the chart in December 2016" (same for other similar sentences in the footnotes)
• That's all I got, I think...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude: I've fixed the issues with the text and removed the track listing. I based the latter off of Meghan Trainor discography, which includes track listing for independent releases. My reasoning was that these will never have articles, so this would be the only place to include that information, but I've removed it anyways since I agree with your comment. Streaming playlists comes from Taylor Swift albums discography. I wasn't sure if I should include them but thought I might as well. I'd have no issues removing if anyone sees it as an issue. His three most recent albums are titled in English.

  Thank you for the comments. Please let me know if you find any other issues. IanTEB (talk) 17:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

International Film Music Critics Association Award for Best Original Score for Television

Nominator(s): ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 17:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it is complete and well-sourced. I have split the table into individual tables, illustrated this article with pictures of the composers, and checked references. Thanks to TophatCounselor who built the first version of this article. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 17:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The awarding period runs January 1 through December 31 every year" - it's not really the "awarding period". I would suggest "The eligibility period runs from January 1 to December 31 every year"
• "The most recent recipients was" => "The most recent recipient was"
• "Network" is a very US-specific term. BBC One and BBC Two are not networks. Maybe "broadcaster" would work better.
• Composer column should sort based on surname, not forename
• Titles beginning with "The" or "A" should sort based on the next word in the title
• Ref heading should be "Ref(s)" as in a number of cases there are multiple refs on a row

• I am using {{refh}} for the ref headings. Per the documentation page of that template, "It's best for the abbreviation to be as short as possible, to keep the column narrow and create more space elsewhere. Communicating to the reader that the column contains references is essential; letting them know whether to expect one or multiple references per line is not."

• "Frontier Love" had no broadcaster.....?
• Names in image captions should be linked
• That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: Done, except for one note above. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 19:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - I am going to assume that (although it sounds very bizarre to me) "runs January 1 through December 31 every year" is valid in US English -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• Is that __TOC__ and {{Clear}} really needed?
• In the captions, the year in which they were awarded the award is more important than the year the picture was taken, so I would say something like: Danny Elfman (pictured in 2022) was the 2004 winner. and so on.

That's what I saw, Matthewrb. I've got a couple of nominations going on, in case you have time and fancy having a look at them. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Done @Alavense: I've fixed everything. The __TOC__ and the {{clear}} are no longer needed - they were a workaround for the old vector skin. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 15:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Matthewrb. Nice work. Support. Alavense (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

Feedback:

• Reference columns should be unsortable
• I see that you link the broadcaster only once per year and I think this might be a bit of a confusing linking style. At first I thought it might be an ABC affiliate that was simply unlinked, but I realized it was just because it duplicated in that year. You might want to consider this linking style and whether it's the best choice (I personally would just link all), but that's not something I'll hold against you since it is actually consistently applied.

• Thank you for the 2 hour ADHD hyperfocus deep dive into our policies. There is nothing that says that a sortable list has to have all instances linked, but there is also nothing that says they shouldn't be linked. The closest thing I have is an example on WP:DTT which has everything linked. When I feel like it I might bring something up at VPP I agree that links on every instance is appropriate in this case. I've adjusted as such.

• In this case, I think you were looking for WP:DUPLINK. Nothing says that it needs to be linked in every instance, the only thing we ask at FLC is consistency, which you did have. But, as mentioned, was more a general note and not anything I felt would be worth blocking this nomination for.

• 2010 – Time of Honor actually redirects to Days of Honor, what's the deal with that? Are there alternate translations for Czas honoru?

• On the infobox for Days of Honor - please note the "Also known as... Time of Honor" underneath the image. I did a dig through the redirects and I believe they are the same series.

• As long as you've checked

• Some references contain wikilinks while others do not, so I'd recommend you add links to publishers/websites/works in the references.
• Ref 5 – Dead but not marked as such
• A lot of these references could use archive links (User:IABot)
• Ref 17, 19, and 21 – Remove Kinetophone as the last name for these refs, leave it as just the publisher
• What makes Kinetophone a reliable source? Can you find anything to replace it?

• If you click "about us" on the site, you get redirected to the bio of Eleni Mitsiaki, who is a member of the IFMCA as well as a published journalist. She would then be a "recognized expert" under WP:RSEDITORIAL.

• Ref 22 – Variety Media, LLC is unnecessary in this instance

That's what I've got for now, please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: Done except for a couple of notes above. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 01:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Last thing I have to say is about ref 27; change to Awards Daily instead of AwardsDaily to match the target. With the assumption you're going to do so, I'll note my support. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Matthewrb as a follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: What are we following up on here? ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

... That's a good question @Matthewrb. I was perusing for things to follow up on, but was clearly too hasty with my response as you actually did addressed all of my concerns. I'm sorry for the unnecessary ping, I didn't see my own bolded support. Self-trout worthy for sure!!! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries, just wanted to be sure! Thank you again. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 19:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Quick comment – Not a full review from me, but ref 26 is marked as a dead link. That will need to be resolved. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Giants2008: Since archive.org is down, I've removed the citation. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

List of national flags of sovereign states

Nominator(s): ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

It seems that you have no identity unless you have a flag.

— Alfred Znamierowski

I am nominating this for featured list because I have spent a lot of time making it and adding all the sources which I believe are reliable in this case. I have attempted to include all relevant information on every flag of every sovereign state of the world, including an image, a description, a date, a designer, and an aspect ratio. I have received much positive feedback (and even a barnstar) for this endeavor, so I feel confident in sending this as my first featured list nomination. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Due to personal circumstances, I am of the belief that I will no longer be able to edit the list substantially enough, in the present moment and the near future, such that it fulfills the criteria necessary for its promotion to FL status. I may revisit this list at some other point in time, but I am unconfident that such edits will be made within the timeframe of the present review. I may pepper the article with minor edits from this moment onwards, but remain cognizant of the fact that I leave the task of ensuring the fulfillment of the FL criteria to some other editor. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 22:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The flag of Tonga is missing from the list. 69.124.56.171 (talk) 04:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I have fixed this now. Thanks for notifying me. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 10:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Airship

• The article has almost 900 citations and over 218kb of content. With that in mind, the lead is far too short: I would expect three paragraphs. As it stands, the prose is still a little clunky, but I think that would improve with increased detail.
  • I'm not exactly sure what is supposed to be put in the lead that isn't already included in the Background and definitions (B&D) section. Would you prefer if I just removed the section header so that "Background and definitions" forms a part of the lead?
    • No, that would be too excessive. See WP:SALLEAD: the lead should summarise the contents of the B&D section and the list. Three is actually excessive, two would do, but one is definitely on the short side.
• "In vexillology, Polish vexillologist Alfred Znamierowski defines" little repetitive, why is the definition specific to vexillology?

• I've removed the Znamierowski definition. It should have been cut out a while ago.

• " governments have used them to promote and create bonds within the country, motivate patriotism" what non-patriotic bonds have been promoted/created?
• See MOS:ANDOR

• Switched to just "and". I think it means the same thing in this case.

• Please provide specific page numbers for the relevant sentences in the sources you cite, as readers should not have to hunt through forty-page articles for verification; considering the current citation format, {{rp}} would probably be best.

• I'm not sure which sources you are talking about here. Could you give an example or two?
  • Cerulo 1993, Tóth 2022, Becker et al. 2017

• Given the emphasis in "Background and definitions" on flags symbolising and representing various things, I am surprised that the descriptions seem to actively steer away from describing them, and instead focus (very robotically) on the colour/layout arrangements. Can you explain this choice?
  • I've considered adding a "symbolism" column previously. But it might not be a good idea considering that many flags have complicated or even disputed symbolisms which would be better explained in its respective article (we only have limited space in the columns). Layout descriptions are objective and can be explained (relatively) straightforwardly. It isn't necessarily impossible, but we can't have both a layout description and a symbolic description without making the list very bloated. Since you do feel surprised by B&D not mentioning general layouts of flags, should I include a passage relating to this?
    • I think that would be a good idea. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Otherwise, great work. Ping me when you've replied to/dealt with the above. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29:

(This is my first FLC nomination I'm not exactly sure how the process works but I'll try my best to reply to all your comments)

Thank you for the feedback, I hope to receive more in the future. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 12:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn't realize you would nominate this so quickly but it's great work! The references column is way too big, it's 8 citations wide! I'd suggest merging these into the description column, but there are also way too many references in general. Like you could just say the books in the bibliography are general references without 200 footnotes to each one. Is there anything specifically taken from these books that aren't already in another reference anyway? I mean, there are a lot of flag books and sites out there so this feels like Wikipedia:Citation overkill especially since they aren't available online through the GBooks link. Reywas92^Talk 14:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait you can just do that on wikipedia? Just add a general bibliography instead of citing the books every time? ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citing_sources#General_references - although that mentions "underdeveloped articles", I think it's different for lists, particularly here when there are other citations that maintain "text–source integrity". I wrote these FLs a long time ago but I used them in United_States_Secretary_of_Transportation#References and List_of_governors_of_Indiana#References. You can also put a broadly used citation in the column header like in List of counties in Washington, or just list related books in a bibliography without calling them references. I know doing these wouldn't include the specific page numbers, but it appears a lot cleaner and it's not like it would be hard to find the relevant verification if you had the book in hand with a TOC or index. Reywas92^Talk 18:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

In this case, I have cited at least two books (Znamierowski encyclopedia and DK guide) and two websites (CIA World Factbook and Whitney Smith's flag articles on Britannica) for every entry on the UN countries list (excluding citing the World Factbook for State of Palestine). How should I go about mentioning these citations broadly? Should I include the link to the list of flag articles that Whitney Smith wrote for EB and the CIA's flag profile directory? ―Howard • 🌽³³ 19:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

If I am understanding this correctly, here is what the "general" citation would look like.

Refs.

References

―Howard • 🌽³³ 19:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Olympic medalists for the Philippines

Nominator(s): 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because the list fits the FL criteria (by me fixing and sourcing all the items). This is my first FL nomination, so feel free to point out mistakes. Anyway, everything about the topic is covered and everything is sourced. Good to go. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Drive-by comments

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Year becomes !scope=col | Year. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
• Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1987 becomes !scope=row | 1987 (on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

More points

• Please fix the ref error shown at the bottom of the page.
• Remove the spacer rows between each set of olympics winners.
• Add relevant wikilinks to the lead and some references. You can reuse the ones from later in the page, if appropriate.
• Most of the references are missing archive links. Running IABOT on the page should fix most of these. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait, what ref error? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Refs are missing archive links, no ref error though. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Can I use another script/bot? The screen says, "Permission error". 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, got the hang of it, archived the links. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Cool, ping me here when you take care of the rest of the stuff that I mentioned. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• Nothing is linked in the lead - add appropriate links
• "Ever since then, the Philippines gained multiple medals, with their first gold medal gained" => "The Philippines gained their first gold medal"
• The Philippines is treated as both singular and plural in the lead
• "competing in the Men's 100 metres" - no reason for capital M in the middle of a sentence
• "In the next Olympic Games at Amsterdam, Netherlands" => "In the next Olympic Games in Amsterdam, Netherlands"
• "finished third at the Men's 200 metre breaststroke aquatic event" => "finished third in the men's 200 metre breaststroke aquatic event"
• "until 2020 Summer Olympics." => "until the 2020 Summer Olympics."
• "The country would also win another bronze medal" => "The country also won another bronze medal"
• "gained a bronze medal in the Men's 400 metre hurdles athletic event" - no reason for capital M
• Diaz and Yidefonso image captions do not need full stops
• "was beaten at the gold medal bout" => "was beaten in the gold medal bout"
• "The next Olympic medals for the Philippines come from Boxing," => "The next Olympic medals for the Philippines came from boxing,"
• "and his brother Mansueto "Onyok" Velasco, claiming silver" - no reason for comma after his name
• "at Atlanta, United States" => "in Atlanta, United States"
• " Hidilyn Diaz finished second at the Women's" => " Hidilyn Diaz finished second in the women's"
• "at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil." => "in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil."
• "gold medal finish in the Women's 55 kg weightlifting category" => "gold medal finish in the women's 55 kg weightlifting category"
• "the other athletes finishing with medals are" => "the other athletes finishing with medals were"
• "silver medal in the Women's featherweight boxing finals" => "silver medal in the women's featherweight boxing finals"
• "also winning a silver medal in the Men's flyweight boxing finals" => "also winning a silver medal in the men's flyweight boxing finals"
• "Eumir Marcial, with a bronze medal finish in the men's middleweight boxing category semi-finals"
• "finished first at the Men's floor exercise and Men's vault artistic" => "finished first in the men's floor exercise and men's vault artistic"
• "at Paris, France." => "in Paris, France."
• "two other athletes won with medals" => "two other athletes won medals"
• "a bronze medal finish in the Women's flyweight boxing category semifinals" => "a bronze medal finish in the women's flyweight boxing category semi-finals"
• "bronze medal in the Women's featherweight boxing category semifinals" => "bronze medal in the women's featherweight boxing category semi-finals"
• In the list of medalists table, the "name" column should sort based on surname, not forename
• No reason for blank rows after every games
• "Nesthy Petecio is the first Filipino boxer to win" => "Nesthy Petecio was the first Filipino boxer to win"
• In the Youth Olympics section, there's a footnote symbol that doesn't link to anything
• "Luis Gabriel Moreno who did not officially medal for the Philippines at the 2014 Youth Summer Olympics did win" => "Luis Gabriel Moreno, who did not officially medal for the Philippines at the 2014 Youth Summer Olympics, did win". Also link his name
• "at the Mixed team event" => "in the mixed team event"
• "The following are medalists in official demonstrations sports" => "The following are medalists in official demonstration sports"
• in the Medal tally by individual table, the "person" column should sort based on surname, not forename
• Gold/siver/bronze column headers are randomly coloured in some tables but not others
• "teams that are composed of members from more than one NOCs." => "teams that are composed of members from more than one NOC."
• Also, you need to explain what NOC means in that note
• That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

   Done 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  One thing I didn't pick up before - why do all the tables have column headers of Gold/Silver/Bronze except for one which has 1/2/3.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Matthewrb

• All of your images need alt text. For more information, see MOS:ALT.
• While it is redirected, Leopoldo Serantes is misspelled in the history section.
• The icons in the Summer Olympics table under List of Medals need to be marked as decorative images, per MOS:PDI.
• Your references columns should be unsortable. In addition, use {{refh}} to make the column information clearer.
• The system of marking active competitors with just bold text is difficult to read for many people (and screen readers might ignore it entirely.). I would recommend using a template for that purpose: {{active}} along with a symbol like {{double-dagger}} for the screen readers.
• In addition, why are you denoting active competitors only in the "Multiple Medalists" table?
• You have two different footnote systems going, {{refn}} with a note parameter and {{efn}}. I would pick one and stick to it, or differentiate why you have two.
• Footnote a has an unnecessary redlink.
• Why do we have a {{DEFAULTSORT}} with the article title with some additional terms capitalized? Sorts ignore case, so I believe this is unnecessary.

That's what I got. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 15:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

For your third bullet, how to do that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Didn't feel the need to insert the dagger, and didn't include Medal tally by individual, since they are already mentioned above. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

It should be as simple as adding |alt= |link= to the images.

Whatever change you made also added empty rows to the Summer Olympics table, in the List of Medals section. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 14:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 09:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the change for my third bullet, but that might be a caching issue. Support ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 16:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The icons are assigned to a specific template, hence why I didn't do your request. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

An IP is reverting my edits for the active competitors, because bold words are regularly only shown in the Multiple medalists table. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

Focusing only on reference formatting, and not whether the references actually verify the information:

• Formatting in the references is inconsistent, specifically when mentioning Olympedia. Make it consistent and link to Olympedia
• Remove "Olympedia – " from the reference titles
• Ref 3 – Add link to Routledge
• Ref 5 – Dead, mark as such
• Ref 7 – It's unclear what this is supposed to be verifying, but it's an image on flickr and is not a useful / good reference
• Ref 8 – Do not include both a website and publisher. International Swimming Hall of Fame should be listed under website/work, not publisher in this case.
• Ref 10 – Do not include 3 entries for the work, go with BBC Sport
• Ref 21 – 2024 Summer Olympics is not the website. Link instead to International Olympic Committee
• Ref 25 – Link to Philippine Daily Inquirer instead of "INQUIRER.net"
• Ref 26 – A wordpress website which is currently down. Mark link as dead or replace it.
• Ref 27 – Link to Olympic Council of Ireland.
• Ref 28 – Do not include the International Olympic Committee as both the work and publisher, remove them as publisher and add link in work parameter
• Ref 29 – International Olympic Committee added to both work and publisher fields again
• Ref 30 – Add link to The Philippine Star
• Ref 31 – Add link to GMA News Online
• Ref 32 – Add link to ABS-CBN
• Ref 33 – Add publish date and change website to The Philippine Star
• Ref 34 – Add publish date and change website to The Philippine Star

Other comments:

• The tables lack row and column scopes
• "Mixed team" should not be capitalized mid sentence
• Do not add empty rows into tables to split them up further, it messes with accessibility (I don't have the link off the top of my head right now)
• None of the pictogram images hve alt text
• Is there a reason home regions are not linked?
• Lead needs work, it's choppy as can be.
• There's a multiple medalist table under the medalist table which already pretty clearly shows who won multiple medals
• Reference columns should be unsortable

There's a lot, and I could have actually said more, but this is what I have for now. Ping me when it's been addressed and I'll look through again. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed the ref errors. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The multiple medalist table is shown in other Olympic medalists lists. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, an IP is reverting my edits removing the empty rows referencing other articles. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

List of accolades received by Oppenheimer (film)

Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk and Sgubaldo (talk) 08:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppenheimer is a 2023 epic biographical thriller drama film written, directed, and produced by Christopher Nolan. Based on the 2005 biography American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin, the film stars Cillian Murphy as the eponymous scientist and chronicles his studies, his direction of the Los Alamos Laboratory and his 1954 security hearing. This is my tenth film accolades list to be nominated for featured list status, and I largely based the format off of the accolades lists for The Artist, The Big Short, CODA, Dune, Dunkirk, If Beale Street Could Talk, 1917, The Shape of Water, and Slumdog Millionaire. Note I added Sgubaldo as a co-nominator since he provided significant contributions into improving this list. Birdienest81talk 08:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "who co-produced it with his wife, Emma Thomas, and Charles Roven" - is there any way to reword this to avoid the possible implication that "his wife, Emma Thomas, and Charles Roven" are three people rather than two?
• "did not get released in Japan until March 29, 2024" - was this related to the fact that the subject matter was considered sensitive in Japan? If so, it might be worth adding that, as otherwise it seems a bit random
• That's it I think - great work as ever! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  • I've just removed 'his wife' since I suppose it's not necessary to specify.
  • I've added an explanation in a note after "December 2023", which hopefully clears it up.

  Thank you for the comments, @ChrisTheDude. Sgubaldo (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• the film received 13 nominations, surpassing eight nominations ... winning seven - MOS:NUMNOTES: "Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures, even if one of the numbers would normally be written differently".
• received another 13 nominations ... winning eight - Ditto.
• The film won seven awards from 13 nominations - Ditto.
• for his direction, screenplay and producing - There should probably be a comma before and, to make the use of the serial comma consistent.

That's what I saw, Birdienest81 and Sgubaldo. Nice work. I've got a couple of nominations going on, in case you have time and fancy having a look at them. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Done, @Alavense. I'll try to take a look at the Toledo nom. Sgubaldo (talk) 17:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support. Alavense (talk) 07:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility review

• For header cells spanning multiple rows, (e.g. AACTA International Awards) the scope should be "rowspan". -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  I thought it was supposed to be "rowgroup"? Sgubaldo (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  Changed to "rowgroup" for all the relevant ones. Sgubaldo (talk) 14:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support promotion on table accessibility. Yes, I meant "rowgroup". -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

List of cities in Odesa Oblast

Nominator(s): Dan the Animator 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

With my Crimean list FLN promoted sometime ago, my Kherson list looking like it'll pass, and seeing that I won't be able to finish up the other lists I was working on too soon, thought I'd use the intervening time to continue the series! In the southwest of Ukraine, Odesa has never been occupied by Russia (except Snake Island and I suppose maybe some oil rigs off the coast) in contrast to the other lists that've come through FL. Lots of history and sights, this list might also have some of the most-picturesque photos imo. Looking forward to suggestions and excited to continue to improve the series! :) Dan the Animator 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Image and accessibility review by Arconning

• Accessibility
  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time.
• Images
  • File:Odesskaya oblast location map.svg - CC BY-SA 4.0
  • File:Arcadia-Odessa-aerial-9.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
  • File:Lebiazhe Lake, 2020.05.03.jpg - CC BY 4.0
  • File:Chornomorsk-aerial-2.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
  • Images have proper licenses, captions, and have alt text
• These are all my comments, hope they can be addressed. :) Arconning (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the review Arconning! :) I think I added in the caption param into the table but take a look just in case. For the images, sounds like everything's good so nothing to do with that? Let me know if there's anything else I can do to improve the article and thanks again for the review! Dan the Animator 18:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support Nice work! Arconning (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• As of 5 December 2001 - There's a space missing between the reference and the beginning of that sentence.
• From independence in 1991 until 2020 - I think From independence in 1991 to 2020 works better.
• The Port of Kiliya in Kiliia - I think it's weird to have two different transliterations so close together. It makes it look as if they were different places.

That's the only thing I saw, Dantheanimator. I've got a couple of nominations going on, in case you have time and fancy having a look at them. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Alavense! :) I fixed up everything. Let me know if there's anything else I can do. Dan the Animator 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Great work. Support. Alavense (talk) 05:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

List of cities in British Columbia

Nominator(s): Cos ^{(X + Z)} 20:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I did some work on this list in honor of my 1 year anniversary editing Wikipedia. This is my first FL nom. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 20:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

OlifanofmrTennant

The first collum, in this case "Name", should be using:

!scope=row | Foo

per MOS:DTAB example: Peter Capaldi filmography

The image is good but it needs ALT text.

Ping me if needed Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant I have resolved your comments. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 22:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh

• As mentioned above, the cells in the first column, which are the beginning of each row, need the row scopes added
• There's something wrong with the population density column header that's making the cells at the top of the table very tall, I believe it's all of the <includeonly>||City</includeonly> inclusions directly until the text for population density
• Everything after the regional district column should probably be right aligned instead for readability. It's currently difficult to follow the populations which vary wildly.
• Why are the corporate names listing the name first? That should essentially be covered by the column to the left.
• References have inconsistent date formatting
• Some references missing the source of the information (who published it?)
• Some sources contain wikilinks to the source while other do not, make consistent when an article is available to target
• Former cities should probably be made into its own table instead of being four sentences
• Percent column should include percentages next to the figures
• Km column should include km² next to the figures

That's what I've got for now. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh I have resolved your comments. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 20:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@CosXZ:

• Refs 2, 4, 14 – Should use Government of British Columbia as the website instead
• Ref 8 – Remove "| Britannica" from the reference title.
• Ref 10 – Wikilink Province of British Columbia
• Refs 11, 12 – Should be Province of BC, not government of it.

That's what I've got at the moment. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh I have resolved your comments. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 16:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Mattximus

Just a few comments, I still believe this is a fork of the list of municipalities, but that being said:

• What makes a city "notable" as per first image?
• What functions do cities carry out? Could be mentioned in the lead.
• Gallery images in strange format, lack alt text (which is needed as per WP:ACCESS), and have non-descript captions. Suggest using common gallery format, adding alt-text and some informative captions.
• While not necessary, it would be nice to colour code the %change as was done in the municipalities page.
• Any explanation on why there are some cities below the threshold of city population but are still cities (were they grandfathered in due to losing population?)

That's it for now! Mattximus (talk) 16:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mattximus

• I have removed that image as it is useless, because it doesn't display all the cities in British Columbia.
• I can't find sources for your questions "what functions do cities carry out" and "why there are some cities below the threshold of city population but are still cities"
• Fixed the gallery.
• I am not colour coding the %change, because I tried {{Change}} and it would break the table.

Is there any other comments that you want to put down here? Cos ^{(X + Z)} 19:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mattximus? Cos ^{(X + Z)} 21:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I still do view this as a fork of the municipalities list so I can't support, but I also won't oppose as others have differing opinions on the importance of forks. Mattximus (talk) 22:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 15:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  @PresN this nomination has three supports. Is this list ready to promote? Cos ^{(X + Z)} 18:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Lists are promoted when one of the coordinators that has not done a full review feels that consensus has been reached to promote and is able to get to promoting it. Please be patient. --PresN 01:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Ok Cos ^{(X + Z)} 17:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• " Although the populations of Enderby, Grand Forks, Greenwood and Rossland fall below this threshold, they are still categorized as cities." - why?
• Although it's not compulsory to have an image in the lead it does look unusual. Maybe consider including this image of the capital city.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude I have added your suggested image. I can't find a source that answers your question. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 21:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - I guess if there's no explanation as to why these tiny places are classed as cities then you can't add it. Lost in the mists of time, I guess..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

List of artwork at the United States Capitol complex

Nominator(s): Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the criteria and I was indirectly encouraged by someone on the Discord to do this (aka QoH). Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This is just a basic bullet-pointed list and lacks visual appeal and usefulness of a sortable table typically preferred for featured lists. I don't find this particularly informative to read either because it only has a title, year, and artist for each work – the Capitol complex is very large, where are these pieces? What type of artwork are they? Which are part of the Statuary Hall or other collections? https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/art lets me filter by location, medium, and other criteria, but this page does nothing but wikilink to those with articles. Reywas92^Talk 03:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Reywas92: I have remade the list table with everything you mentioned included. :) Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  Very nice and fast work! I will continue the review soon. One note is that a substantial portion of the list is the Statuary Hall collection, and there's already Statues of the National Statuary Hall Collection as a FL. I'm thinking it may make sense to remove those from this list to de-clutter a bit and treat that as a subarticle. Reywas92^Talk 22:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

That would make sense, but if I was just a passerby looking for "Artwork at the Capitol" I'd rather have it on one page then "Statues are located on another page". The list also covers artwork at the Capitol in general, it's not just paintings or statues. The statues list would still be needed though, because it goes into more detail about the statues themselves. (Also, I'll add a see also to the Statue article). Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Drive-by comment: the artist column should sort based on surname, not forename -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Another driveby: Most of the ones beginning with C are missing row headers for whatever reason. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  Two more things:

  • Steven Weitzman (Frederick Douglass Statue) and Thomas Crawford (House Bronze Doors, Justice and History Sculpture, Progress of Civilization Pediment, Senate Bronze Doors, and Statue of Freedom) are links to disambiguation pages.
  • The way "Antonio Capellano and Enrico Causici" is linked is unconsistent, René Robert Cavelier Sieur de La Salle Relief Sculpture redlinks just Capellano, but Christopher Columbus Relief Sculpture and John Cabot Relief Sculpture redlink the duo.

  (still not a full review, although I may well end up doing one) Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 22:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  Will get to it shortly, I admittedlty can't figure out how to make the "C" section have shaded headers and have spent way too much time trying to find out how. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 22:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  Done for you since you're a first time nom (welcome!) Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 22:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 15:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Matthewb

First of all, I see above that this is your first nomination. Welcome! Just a few notes for you:

• All of the images need alt text, per MOS:ALT. Alt text should describe a bit about the images for users that use a screen reader.
• There is some inconsistency in the table for when you link - sometimes if an article doesn't exist it's a redlink but other times it's unlinked. The same with your artists. I would recommend making your linking consistent, either link all artwork and artists or only link ones with articles.
• I've noticed that most of this article is sourced to the US Government. While that is fine, I'm wondering if maybe you could find some third-party sources for the introduction?
• Are there an overall category at Commons for the artwork? If so, it should be linked in an "External Links" section using {{Commons category-inline}}. That being said, I was unable to find a category so feel free to ignore if you can't find one either. See also: MOS:ELLAYOUT

Feel free to ping me if you have any questions or need help. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 19:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod: Following up on the above. Do you need any help with this? ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 18:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for not responding, I guess I just forgot about the discussion. I'll get to it shortly. :) SirMemeGod  19:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod: Following up again. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 21:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been procrastinating it just because of the sheer amount of work that will need done. I'm currently working on it, I'll have it done by next Thursday. :) SirMemeGod  22:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@Matthewrb: I have addressed all issues mentioned (obviously besides the alt texts, I'm still working on that). I checked and was unable to locate a Commons category, so I ignored that one. :) SirMemeGod  14:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod, would c:CAT:Items on display inside the United States Capitol work? slightly different scope, but seems to pretty much have the same things as this list. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 01:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup statistics

Nominator(s): Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Not many FLs in cricket statistics pages, trying make this an Exemplary list. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

The text shouldn't begin with This is the list of. I recommend you have a look at other featured lists for similar topics, because they will come in handy when trying to write a good lede for this one. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the lead paragraph now. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

• The tables in the Group stage standings are an unholy mess (on my screen at least). They break across multiple columns and overlap each other. Something is seriously up there. Oh, and I endorse the above comment about the lead. It should not start "This is a list of" per MOS:THISISALIST and in all honesty a lead of just two sentences isn't appropriate for a potential FL..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude Could you be a little more specific about what's the problem with standings... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  On my screen it looks like this.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• I see that this issue has apparently now been resolved, so I will do a full review in due course. One thing that jumps out at me is that there's no context provided for some of the stats or any indication of what they actually mean. For example, there's a table of players with the best strike rate, but no explanation of what strike rate is or even a link to another article that explains it. I personally know the basics of cricket but have no idea what strike rate is and the article doesn't provide me with any way to find that out. I appreciate that within an article we can assume a certain level of basic knowledge of a subject (i.e. I wouldn't expect a football article to need to explain what "scoring a goal" means) but some of the items listed here seem to go way beyond that basic level and we ought to at least afford people the opportunity to find out what these things are if they don't know, without having to resort to Google..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, I'll be honest until a few hours ago even I didn't know how Average/ Strike rate were calculated, I just assumed they were somehow calculated. I've just read the relevant articles and I'll complete adding a one-line description of what they are, Thanks! Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude All done, you can carry on with the review now. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Image review by Arconning

• File:Hardik Pandya in PMO New Delhi.jpg - GODL-India
• File:Shai Hope.jpg - CC BY 3.0
• File:Fazalhaq Farooqi.jpg - CC BY 3.0
• File:Arshdeep Singh in PMO New Delhi.jpg - GODL-India
• File:Tim Southee 3.jpg - GFDL
• File:2018.01.21.14.55.22-Roy c Finch b Cummins-0001 (40183230984) (Cummins cropped).jpg - CC BY 2.0
• File:Prime Minister Of Bharat Shri Narendra Modi with Rishabh Pant.jpg - GODL-India
• File:Aiden Markram (cropped).jpg - CC0
• File:Virat Kohli in PMO New Delhi.jpg - GODL-India
• File:Prime Minister Of Bharat Shri Narendra Damodardas Modi with Shri Rohit Gurunath Sharma (Cropped).jpg - GODL-India
• File:Jasprit Bumrah in PMO New Delhi.jpg - GODL-India
• Images have suitable captions and licenses
• Images need alt text^^
  • Hope these can be addressed! - Arconning (talk) 14:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'll add them tomorrow. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Arconning All done. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support Arconning (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup was the ninth edition of ICC Men's T20 World Cup" => "The 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup was the ninth edition of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup"
• "Following is a list of major statistics and records from the tournament; most lists contain only the top five tiers for each record." - this is just moving the sentence mentioned above from the start to a later point in the article. In all honesty I don't think it's needed.
• The lead still feels a bit short. Can you work in some of the "highlights" from the article?
• "Dates given for single-match records/stats is the date fixture took place" => "Date given for single-match records/stats is the date fixture took place"
• "the first English player to take hat-trick in T20 World Cup." => "the first English player to take a hat-trick in T20 World Cup."
• "most wins as Indian Captain in T20Is" - captain is not a proper noun so does not need a capital C
• "Niko Davin became the first batter to be dismissed retired out in a T20 World Cup match" - link "retired out" if an appropriate target exists
• "6 June 2024; He was later surpassed by Rohit Sharma." - no reason for capital H in the middle of a sentence
• "Played in the men's T20 World Cup for the first time with the virtue of being a co-host.." => "Played in the men's T20 World Cup for the first time by virtue of being a co-host." (only needs one full stop at the end, not two)
• "the 5th highest total in the history of T20 World Cup" => "the 5th highest total in the history of the T20 World Cup"
• " the 2nd and 3rd lowest totals in the history of T20 World Cup respectively" => " the 2nd and 3rd lowest totals in the history of the T20 World Cup respectively"
• "the top two lowest match aggregates in the 2024 tournament" => "the two lowest match aggregates in the 2024 tournament" (can't really be "top" of the list given that it was a "negative" record)
• Most runs - player names should sort based on surname, not nationality
• Highest scores - player names should sort based on surname, not nationality
• ....and so on for every other table containing player names
• "The "batting average" is the total number of runs they have scored" => "The "batting average" is the total number of runs a batter has scored"
• Pandya image caption needs a full stop and also the word "the" before "highest batting average"
• "Hardik Pandya of India had highest batting average in the 2024 tournament (48.00 – 144 runs from 6 innings with 3 dismissals)." => "Hardik Pandya of India had the highest batting average in the 2024 tournament (48.00 – 144 runs from 6 innings with 3 dismissals)."
• Hope image caption needs a full stop
• "they were both tied at the 5th place" => "they were both tied in 5th place"
• Farooqi image caption needs a full stop
• ....and so on for every other image caption
• "The "bowling average" is the number of runs they have conceded" => "The "bowling average" is the number of runs a bowler conceded"
• "The "economy rate" is the average number of runs they have conceded per over bowled." => "The "economy rate" is the average number of runs a bowler has conceded per over bowled."
• "The "Hat-trick" occurs " - no reason for capital H in the middle of a sentence
• I can't see any value in the "batsmen out" column of the "hat-tricks" table being sortable
• In the partnerships tables, use "and" not "&" per MOS:AMPERSAND
• Image caption : "Indian Captain Rohit Sharma was named as the captain for team of the tournament" => "Indian Captain Rohit Sharma was named as the captain of the team of the tournament."
• That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude I have made all the changes and expanded the lead. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude: regarding sorting the players in the table, which of the following would be suitable for listing a player...

  • Pat Cummins
  • Pat Cummins (AUS)
  • Pat Cummins (AUS)

  Which of these would be the appropriate way? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  I would personally go for the second one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude All done. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• "Canada, Uganda and United States made their T20 World Cup debut, with US progressing to the Super 8 stage in their first T20 World Cup" - you state that it was the first World Cup for the US twice in the same sentence. Also, it should be the US, not just US
• "or if no overs remained (or are able) to be bowled" => "or if no overs remained (or were able) to be bowled" (so the tenses agree)
• "(5/40) indicates that a bowler has captured five wickets while giving away 40 runs" => "(5/40) indicates that a bowler captured five wickets while giving away 40 runs"
• "Shakib Al Hasan became the first bowler to take 50 wickets in the T20 World Cup history." => "Shakib Al Hasan became the first bowler to take 50 wickets in T20 World Cup history."
• "became the first English player to take a hat-trick in T20 World Cup" => "became the first English player to take a hat-trick in the T20 World Cup"
• "India also broke the record of the longest time between successive tournament wins (17 years), breaking the record of 12 years set by England" => "India also broke the record of the longest time between successive tournament wins (17 years), surpassing the 12 years set by England" (would avoid saying "break the record" twice in the same sentence
• "were the top two lowest match aggregates" => "were the two lowest match aggregates" (can't really be "top" of a list of the lowest figures)
• "2024 tournament became the 2nd T20 World Cup to have" => "The 2024 tournament became the 2nd T20 World Cup to have"
• "Hardik Pandya of India had highest batting average " => "Hardik Pandya of India had the highest batting average "
• In the best economy table there's a random bracket before Lockie Ferguson
• Is there a reason why, in the player of the match tables, the "player" column is the only one that's not sortable?
• "Indian Captain Rohit Sharma was named as the captain of the team of the tournament." - "captain" is not a proper noun so does not need a capital C -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude All done. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

List of parliamentary constituencies of Nepal

Nominator(s): MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:18, 6 September 2024‎ (UTC)

The fifth in the constituency series. I've improved the lead and table accessibility and added a history section. Similar FL: Zambia. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Note for reviewers: Nepal uses the Vikram Samvat as their calendar system, which is about 56-57 years ahead of the Gregorian calendar that is used in most other places. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Dank

• Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
• Additional disclaimer: I can't read Nepali.
• "through proportional electoral system": maybe "through a proportional electoral system"
• "voters vote for": not wrong, but consider "voters choose"
• Checking the FLC criteria:
• 1. I did some minor copyediting; feel free to revert. I checked sorting on all sortable nonnumeric columns and sampled the links in the tables.
• 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
• 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
• 3b. The sources appear to be reliable, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any significant problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
• 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, and it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find).
• 4. It is navigable.
• 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
• 6. It is stable. - Dank (push to talk) 03:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Dank: I've fixed the two issues that you pointed out. Thanks for the review and the copyedits. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Image review – pass

• There are two relevant images with appropriate CC tags. simongraham (talk) 12:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• I think the caption in the infobox should comply with MOS:GEOLINK.
• How are provinces sorted? What's the logic behind it? Why does Madhesh come before Bagmati, for instance?

That's what I saw, MPGuy2824. I've got a couple of nominations going on, in case you have time and fancy having a look at them. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alavense:

• Fixed the MOS:GEOLINK issue in the infobox caption.
• How are provinces sorted? What's the logic behind it? Why does Madhesh come before Bagmati, for instance? If you look at the maps in Provinces of Nepal#List of provinces of Nepal, they were ordered by geographic location (starting from the east and ending in the west). In fact a few of the provinces had numbers as tentative names when they were created. (Madhesh was "Province No. 2" and Bagmati was "Province No. 3"). That said, the ordering of the constituencies follow the order shown in the election results, but adding a number column to the table should reduce reader confusion. I'll be doing that. Thanks for the review. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy with that. Support. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - can't spot anything -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Alavense, ChrisTheDude, PresN, Hey man im josh, and MPGuy2824: Maybe one of you can spot the problem here, I can't see it. When I was pulling up WP:FLC, nothing was showing below this page, until I commented this transclusion out with <!-- ... --> (so at the moment, this page isn't showing up at WP:FLC). I'm guessing that something is wrong with some wikicode on this page. - Dank (push to talk) 21:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, PresN just fixed a <small> tag, that seems to have fixed it. Thx! - Dank (push to talk) 21:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks all, for fixing this problem. Looks like I removed the "Nominator" line when first starting the nomination. I think i was trying to remove the pre-added html comment. A good reminder to slow down sometimes. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Well that's an embarrassing destruction of the page I temporarily caused lol. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Bibliography of works on Georges Méliès

Nominator(s): Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

As I prepared to rewrite "Georges Méliès", I became very intimidated by the literature. To get a better grasp on it and kill two birds with one stone, I expanded this bibliography. Much of it is based on his entry in Oxford Bibliographies, but where applicable, I supplemented it with book reviews and an annotated bibliography by Elizabeth Ezra. All suggestions are appreciated, and I hope to address them as soon as possible! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "many languages, namely English, French, Italian, Spanish, and German" - unless you are absolutely certain that no works about him exist in any other language, maybe say "including English......"
• "exhibition catalogues with materials" - as the article seems to be written in US English, should that last word not be "catalogs"....?
• "A book with that surveys" - huh?
• "a teleological view" - is there an appropriate link for that second word? I personally have no idea what it means
• "Contains studies of Méliès, namely by Roland Cosandey and Yuri Tsivian" - why not just "Contains studies of Méliès, by Roland Cosandey and Yuri Tsivian".....?
• That's it, I think! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  All fixed! Thanks for your time, and let me know if you see anything else. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude: forgot to ping. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• his name often appears in the titles of books, chapters, or articles, not necessarily - Lose the last comma, the one before "not".
• the film career of his brother - He's not mentioned before, so maybe the film career of his brother Gaston?
• Same for his mistress and first wife --> his mistress and first wife, Jehanne d'Alcy. And maybe the link could just blue the name.

  Whoops, "mistress" and "first wife" intended to refer to different people. Now with both names included, this is much clearer. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed. Alavense (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• as a chapter of Film Before Griffith - Could something else be said about Film Before Griffith. It feels a bit disconnected.
• and U.S. and U.K. - and US and UK, I think, per MOS:US.
• Maybe use {{ill}} to link Il Castoro?
• as a chapter of Early Cinema: Space, Frame, Narrative - Maybe it's worth saying the book was edited by Thomas Elsaesser?
• and a translation of a forum about him hosted by the Commission de recherche historique of the Cinémathèque Française, Tsivian describes - I think a full stop would be better than the comma.
• finds that he criticized colonialism that results from an obsession with quicker modes of transportation - I think there's something wrong there.

  To be more nuanced, Ezra believes that, in a time when new forms of transportation were prospering, his films satirized the resulting prejudice, colonial expansion, and minset of "conquering the unknown". Most famously, the astronomers in A Trip to the Moon, as taken from its article, are presented as bumbling pedants merciless for Selenites. I tweaked the sentence's wording with all this in mind, but let me know if you still have an issue. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  I think that reads better now. Alavense (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• You can link Joan M. Minguet.
• Ditto with Archives françaises du film.
• and within it, - Lose that comma.

That's what I saw. I've got a couple of nominations going on, in case you have time and fancy having a look at them. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alavense: All fixed, with two replies of clarification. Thanks for having a look! I'd be happy to review one of your noms; expect comments within a few days. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits. Support. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

List of inventoried hardwoods in the United States

Nominator(s): - Dank (push to talk) 05:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC), Johnboddie 17:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

This should be good to go. The "See also" section includes two featured tree lists; I'm following the same format, mostly. As always, I've got tallies of the image licenses on the talk page. Enjoy. - Dank (push to talk) 15:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC) Simplified 13:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Skipping the template: the table needs rowscopes! --PresN 21:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oops! Done. - Dank (push to talk) 22:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Added Johnboddie as a co-nom, for the work he did on this list (and on all of them). - Dank (push to talk) 17:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Placeholder

• Adding this to remind me to finally look at this one like I promised I would -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• Link terpenes. I for one have no idea what this word means.
• That's all I got - amazing work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
  • A solution just occurred to me ... "sap products" ... does that work for you? - Dank (push to talk) 14:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
    • Does indeed work for me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Done. - Dank (push to talk) 14:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: let me know if this doesn't work for you ... I changed "sap products" to "sap resins" (resins is linked in the lead), to avoid confusion with food products from sap. - Dank (push to talk) 05:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
    • Sounds reasonable -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:44, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Dutch (in)formateurs and scouts

Nominator(s): Dajasj (talk) 06:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a very simple table, yet enables users to quickly find information. Do you want to see who were the (in)formateurs and scouts for a given formation, that's easy to spot right away. Do you want to know how many times Herman Tjeenk Willink has been (in)formateur, it is easy to sort. The longest serving informateur, also easy to sort. The lead gives a quick overview of what the roles are, and some facts that are relevant to the table. The table has references to easily accessible online resources as well as more detailed offline sources (where available). It is an essential part of my project to - in the long term - have decent articles about all Dutch cabinet formations, and I believe this specific part of my project is a suitable featured list candidate. Dajasj (talk) 06:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

• Per MOS:CHRONO, the list should be in chronological order, not backwards -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Fixed! Dajasj (talk) 15:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Another drive-by: the name most assuredly does not meet our naming guidelines. I don't see "(in)formateurs" as a literal term in my searches. This should likely be List of Dutch formateurs and scouts, with a note that "scout" has become the new term for "informateur" after 2012. I am not an expert on this topic, so happy to consider other naming, but as it stands this naming convention is not the WP:COMMONNAME. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hi @Gonzo fan2007, thanks for the reply. The informateur does still exist (I have clarified it in the lead), so it would be List of Dutch formateurs, informateurs and scouts. Would that be desirable? Then I'll move it :) Dajasj (talk) 16:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, that would be preferable. Thanks. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed! Dajasj (talk) 16:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• I'm wondering if these page can be merged with List of Dutch cabinet formations. These are closely related topics with some overlap. Reywas92^Talk 16:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  In theory, yes, they are closely related indeed. However, if would want to avoid losing relevant information, you would have to add five columns to List of Dutch cabinet formations. Personally, I think that would be too wide and be too chaotic, while most reader's questions will be answered by either one of the two lists. I would love to hear your thoughts. Dajasj (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  You would get something like this: User:Dajasj/sandbox/Informateurs. But obviously way longer. Dajasj (talk) 18:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  I actually think that looks really good. It could be somewhat narrower if the start and end dates are in one column and the reference within another as well. Reywas92^Talk 01:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hmm. It is still relatively easy to compare information about informateurs, but really hard to compare information about formations. Sorting on length of formations becomes really chaotic imo, and for longer formations, only one fits on my (mobile) screen, so its not easy to see in a glance the top 5 longest formations. Dajasj (talk) 05:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Quick comment

After reading the lead I'm still very confused as to what these three role actually do. The lead needs to be much more clearly written for this to pass. Mattximus (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Mattximus for the feedback. I realise I was too focused on historical background, without including information for those not familiar with the topic. I have rewritten the lead. If you have the time, I would love to hear if this is clear now and if not, what is not clear. Thanks in advance! Dajasj (talk) 06:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Certainly better, but the order is all mixed up after the first sentence. The list ends with scouts but the first sentences is scouts? Then goes back in time, then forwards in time? Still quite confusing, but improving. Mattximus (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I think I fixed this. I also moved some information to a separate section. It still gives background, but now makes clear that these paragraphs have another chronological order. Dajasj (talk) 08:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Timeline of Partygate

Nominator(s): A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 21:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Following on from Timeline of Brexit, which was promoted to FL earlier this year, here's another timeline about recent British history. I welcome any and all feedback. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 21:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Comments from N Oneemuss

Lede

• "eighteen days later, the death toll reached 335" – should be "18 days later" per MOS:NUMERAL

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Prime Minister Boris Johnson is discouraged per MOS:SEAOFBLUE; in the timeline there's the same problem with "Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak", "Education Secretary Gavin Williamson", "Home Secretary Priti Patel", "Leader of the Opposition Keir Starmer", "Deputy Prime Minister Dominic Raab", "leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg"...

• All fixed (I think). A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I would maybe add in the lede that the rule of six introduced by the government was only in England (the other nations did have similar rules)

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I would spell out the acronym "BYOB" somewhere (either in the lede or the body)

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I would maybe add Johnson's resignation as Prime Minister and/or as an MP to the lede

• Done. I've rewritten the final sentence in the lead. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• You could link "civil servant" somewhere?

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Lockdown parties

• 7 December 2020: "on Thursday" is a bit unhelpful as the days of the week aren't included in this list; could you give the date?

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• 11 December 2020: Is the price of the wine fridge relevant?

• Removed. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• 14 December 2020: House of Commons should be linked to House of Commons of the United Kingdom

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• 16 December 2020: You spell out what tier 1 and tier 2 restrictions are called ("medium" and "high"), but not tier 3 ("very high")

• Added. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The story breaks

• Maybe mention some Conservatives publicly calling for Johnson to resign over Partygate? e.g. or

• Added in Douglas Ross's call for Johnson to resign. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• 15 June 2023: I think the context that's missing here is that a 90-day suspension would be enough to trigger a recall petition and hence a by-election in Johnson's constituency

• Added. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• 19 June 2023: "354 to seven" should be "354 to 7" again per MOS:NUMERAL. I think there might be a couple more examples of this as well.

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• I think you could add the changes of Prime Minister as well? I don't think it would add too much space to say that Johnson was replaced by Truss, and then that Truss was replaced by Sunak (Johnson tried to run for the leadership again, but maybe that's too much detail). Otherwise it's maybe a bit surprising that it says the Conservatives were led at the election by Sunak (in the "Aftermath" section)?

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Aftermath

• "the publication of the Gray report" – this is confusing because it's only the initial document that was published at this point, not the full report

• Removed. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• "70% of respondents regarded Johnson as performing badly as prime minister, compared with 25% who felt that he was doing well"; I think this could do with some context on how he was regarded before the scandal broke (he was already unpopular, but not to this extent)

• To be honest, I only mentioned that specific poll because Richard Hayton also made reference to it in his article on Johnson for Political Insight. Citing different YouGov polls and then using them to draw a conclusion about how Partygate affected Johnson's popularity feels like it might be skating a little too close to improper synthesis, but I'll see if I can find any third-party sources that come to those conclusions and then cite them. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Done. I've added in a sentence about how Partygate specifically affected his popularity. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Link (and maybe spell out) NHS

• Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Nice list! N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 09:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the review, N Oneemuss! I've done most of these, I'll complete the final two soon. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for the review, N Oneemuss! I think I've covered all your points, but please let me know if you have any feedback. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, happy to Support. N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 07:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

SnowFire

Not an expert on British politics, but I'll give this a go. Disclaimer: Am an American, so feel free to ignore anything that is justified by AmE / BrE style differences if I accidentally perceive an oddity that's really fine.

Lede:

• The first COVID-19 death in the UK occurred on 5 March 2020; 18 days later, the death toll reached 335. As a result, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced that the UK would go into a full lockdown,

I'm not a fan of "as a result". Presumably some parts of the world went into lockdown without a single death, while other areas never really locked down seriously despite deaths? If we're being pedantic, it would be "As a result of the advice of medical experts consulted by the government" or the like, not necessarily the deaths. Perhaps "In response" instead? Or even just cutting the introductory clause entirely.

Changed to "in response". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• London being placed in the "medium" tier 1 restrictions

This one isn't your fault, but this reads a bit weirdly to people not in the loop since "medium" was actually the mildest tier. I don't have any suggestions here as this seems relevant, but if you know of any friendlier ways to express this that still hit the main points, that'd be neat - but totally optional.

The only thing I can think to do is to remove the "'medium'" part so that it just says "tier 1". But that seems to me like removing useful information for our readers with no clear benefit. If another editor makes the same point, then I'll take it out. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

SnowFire from the future: One overarching issue with all the historical stuff is making clear that this activity was a problem / scandalous. I guess the implication was that merely by appearing here at all, we're only talking about the "bad" parts, but I think we should be a little more blunt. Holding a party or playing loud music isn't a problem; it's holding a party indoors over size regulations that's a problem, but that's being hidden implicitly. It can weaken the "case" if anything, since someone might reasonably wonder what the big deal was, so I'd suggest making it clearer exactly how these parties were "bad".

Timeline:

• 15 May: In the garden of Downing Street, an early evening cheese and wine party is held. Johnson and Health Secretary Matt Hancock both attend the gathering, which lasts for forty minutes to an hour.[12]

So what? This sounds like it complies with the rules at the time: the garden was outdoors and we've only listed two people attending. I presume the implication is that more people attended, but we should say so if that's the case. Unfortunately the reference doesn't seem to indicate that.

Clarified how many people attended. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 17 June: Emails are exchanged between Downing Street officials to prepare "drinks which aren't drinks"

The source doesn't explain either, but WTF was this email talking about? The polite reading would be "beverages which aren't alcoholic beverages" which seems too boring to bring up as a quote (they had mocktails, quelle horreur). So I presume this is really some British slang that I'm not familiar with that means something else that is scandalous, but what, then? Drugs?

They were having drinks, but they knew that doing so was likely against the rules at the time, so they were pretending that they weren't really having drinks, even though that's exactly what was happening. Hence, "drinks which aren't drinks" . A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 19 June: The event lasts for 20 minutes, and is attended by Case, Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak, and others.

How many others? Sorry if I'm being repetitive here, but this seems like key information that the sources are inexplicably dropping. We're told that meetings of up to six people are allowed (although given the photo, this clearly wasn't outside, but we can presume that there might be an exception if the PM was on the job), so it's at least possible based on the description this was only a small party that complied with the rules. (I know that counting blurred heads from the lede photo suggests >6, but how much more, then?)

Added how many people attended. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Johnson's wife Carrie holds a second birthday gathering for her husband in their Downing Street flat that evening, with a number of friends

Same question here - if that number of friends was 4, then this could potentially be permissible. (If it's not known, can we at least assert it was "more than 6" or "in defiance of regulations"?)

Unfortunately, none of the sources I can find can be anymore specific that just saying the party was attended by "several" friends. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 14 September: To restrict a potential second wave of COVID-19 in the UK, the government restricts social gatherings again by implementing a new "rule of six" in England – groups of more than six people are banned from meeting in England, either indoors or outdoors.

A little confused here - weren't we still at 6 from the 1 June regulations? Are we missing a bullet point that eased things further after 1 June but before 14 Sept? Also, as a nit, I'd say "hinder a potential second wave" to avoid the close repetition.

From 1 June, people could meet outside (but not inside) in groups of six, but, from 14 September, groups of six couldn't meet either outside or inside. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 11 December: Johnson's staff smuggle a wine fridge through the back door of Downing Street.

I'm not saying to remove this, but this is weird. Johnson was PM. Couldn't he just ask a wine fridge be installed normally, through the front door? (And isn't it possible he was just using it to get blasted personally, not holding parties with it? I know that later on it says the fridge was indeed used for parties, and we should be chronological as a timeline, but maybe some sort of hint as to the problem here.) I see the source uses the term "smuggle", but also that the Mirror is a Labour tabloid. Do other sources agree that "smuggling" is the term to use here?

I can't really find any other sources that use "smuggle", so I've replaced it with "bring". As you say, the reporting of the fridge is significant later in the timeline, so I do think it's important to mention it chronologically here. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 14 December: A Christmas party—formally called a "Jingle and Mingle"...

Same problem here. The police issued fines so clearly this was in violation of the regulations, but we don't actually say the party was in violation of the regs. Should add that it was indoors and had (NUMBER) attendees or the like.

Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 15 December: Ellwood attends a Christmas party of 27 people

Does BrE have a way to quickly denote party affiliation? He's only been introduced as an MP from Bournemouth East before - at first I assumed this was a Labour / LibDem / SNP guy and thus was wondering if this was a broader scandal than just the Tories. (In US politics, people are sometimes introduced like "Jim Inhofe (R-OK)" as shorthand.)

Specified that he was a Conservative MP. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 15 December: A Christmas quiz is held at Downing Street. Most staff dial-in online from their homes, though some attend in person.

Same issue. I checked the source and I guess that the mere fact it appears there suggests something shady happened, but no numbers. I dunno, maybe I'm off-base here, but there's a huge difference between "4 people attend in person" and "40 people attend in person". The first isn't a scandal, the second is, so we should make clear it's the second case.

Added. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 16 December: (...) Johnson announces at a press conference that, from today, the city will move into tier 3 restrictions.

Nit: I would use "immediately" rather than ", from today,", but just a suggestion, up to you if "From today" sounds more natural in BrE.

Changed to "with immediate effect". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 16 December: A Christmas gathering is held for staff at the Department for Transport, with food and alcohol being served.[40]

The citation is messed up - both it and the archive go to Covid: London to move into in tier 2 lockdown, a story from November 2021. Can you replace with the proper URL?

Good catch, now fixed. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• A Christmas party is held for Case's staff at the Cabinet Office. Twelve staff attend online, but five join in the office.

Optional: This might be blazingly obvious from context, but precisely because it's so relevant here, maybe "the office, indoors." here? Since five was technically allowed within even the Tier 3 restrictions, it just had to be outdoors in a park or the like.

Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 17 December: ...and background music played

Was the background music particularly loud? For the "ABBA" party, the music was relevant because it was loud and suggested a big party rather than a small one when the numbers were unknown. But as written, this could be a tasteful recording of a string quartet playing Mozart or something.

Removed. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 18 December: A Christmas party—formally named the "End of Year Meeting with Wine & Cheese"

The source notes that the party was "crowded" - I think we should too.

Added. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 9 April: At Windsor Castle, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and husband of Queen Elizabeth II,

Optional nit from an American: I see that Prince Philip's article is actually at "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", but he's just called "Prince Philip" (especially in the context of 2021). As is, it reads like a parenthetical clause explaining Prince Philip, except his role as "Duke of Edinburgh" was completely irrelevant and ceremonial and distracting here. So I'd personally recommend either just "Prince Philip" or "Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizbeth II, (...)". But up to you.

Done. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 12 January: Speaking at PMQs, Johnson admits that he attended the BYOB party on 20 May 2020, and apologises. Starmer calls on him to resign.

Was this a "notable" call for resignation? I may be jaded by post-2017 US politics but the "other" party here tends to throw these kind of requests out rather casually (see https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/republicans-call-biden-resign-ending-2024-campaign-rcna162923 for the opinion of our Speaker of the House, which I'm sure was taken under deep consideration and then circular-filed by Biden - not really an important or serious political thrust). If Starmer saying this was indeed a Big Deal, it's fine, just double-checking.

This was, as far as I'm aware, the first time that Starmer called on Johnson to resign, hence its significance. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• 14 January: (...) describes its being used by Downing Street staff for gatherings—called "Wine Time Fridays"—every Friday afternoon during the pandemic

Can we add the word "large" or "non-compliant" or the like before gatherings, or some other modifier to make clear that these weren't <6 people matters?

Added in "non-COVID-compliant". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The 2023 & Aftermath sections look good to me. Overall, it's an impressive work - the main nits above are to add a few more attendee numbers in when possible on how big these parties were and verifying that they weren't compliant (e.g. indoors), and will be happy to support.

Also, no obligation, but there is another timeline FLC nomination that could use some reviews open at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Timeline of the Second Temple period/archive1, if interested. SnowFire (talk) 23:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@A Thousand Doors, just pinging you in case this has been been missed on your watchlist. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your review, SnowFire! I'll try to get round to having a look at your list sometime soon. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies, works for me. Recent edits resolved above concerns. Support. SnowFire (talk) 17:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Terminology of transgender anatomy

Nominator(s): Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC) and Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe)

Me and Tamzin cooked up just what it says on the tin; terminology associated with the body parts of trans folks.

This is pretty heterodox form for a list, but since its main purpose is to explain and list a set of terminology, I feel it's a bit closer to the list side of things, even though it could potentially fit into either camp. A demi-list, so to speak. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thought from QoH

Nice work on this list by both of you. I added col headers while this list was still in draft, but was reverted as "not needed". I'd think all tables should have col headers, but couldn't find any guidnance on this and would like to hear other's thoughts. Queen of Hearts (talk) 02:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. So, typically both row and column headers are required, but also typically the tables are more complex than two columns. Working through "how does it sound with a screen reader", the 'Attested replacement words' table is fine- it reads like "Menstruation. Menstruation: bleeding, shark week", so it's pretty clear that it's standard term: alt terms. For the 'Medical terminology' table... I think it's fine? It honestly works a bit better audibly than visually, where it sounds like "term: alt1, alt2, alt3. term2: alt4, alt5, alt3", so the repeats/merged cells on the right are clear. Visually, it's a little messy- you typically want the combined cells to be on the left and get more diffuse as you go across to the right, but the genitals/gonads combos make that messy, and column headers wouldn't make that better. I guess what I'm saying is: I think in this case it's okay to not have column headers. --PresN 14:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Source check by CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath

I will be doing a source check for this article. I will update this as I check. To be comprehensive I'm going to break down my source check by section and also include any sources I could not access.

Section	Status	Sources I couldn't access	Comments
Context	Verified	None	I just want to ask for clarification regarding the statement "Prior to the 2010s, there was little research on the social aspects of transgender bodies". I'm assuming you got the year 2010 from the sources cited in the reference you gave. I just want to make sure that I'm not missing something here. Otherwise I was able to access and verify all the sources used Yes, that's per Edelman and Zimman's description of the state of the art at the time they wrote their paper (2014). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Colloquial terminology	Pending	Steinbock, Eliza (2017). "Representing Trans Sexualities". In Smith, Clarissa; Attwood, Feona; McNair, Brian (eds.). The Routledge Companion to Media, Sex and Sexuality. London: Routledge. ISBN 9781315168302. Bellwether, Mira (2013). Fucking Trans Women: A Zine About the Sex Lives of Trans Women. CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform. ISBN 9781492128939.	I'm not able to verify the statement "Some transmasculine people refer to their clitorises as a dick or cock" from either of the sources listed in ref 9. Fielding 2021 does discuss alternative terms for the vulva but doesn't reference the clitoris or list dick or cock as alternative terms. Ref 10 cites Zimman 2014, pp. 14–15 which doesn't exist as the reference provided for Zimman 2014 cites pages 673–690. I think you mixed this up with the Zimman 2011 source as it verifies the information present. The statement "at the time Zimman documented its usage in 2014" isn't verified either for the same reason. If you did mean to use the Zimman 2011 source then this also needs to be changed from 2014 to 2011. In re ref 9, I have added a cite to Zimman 2014. In re [what was previously] ref 10, I think you might have the sources mixed up? If you click on "Zimman 2014", it'll take you to (Terminology of transgender anatomy#CITEREFZimman2014), which is the one paginated 1–24. Edelman & Zimman 2014 is 673–690, but is not what I'm trying to cite there. And there is no Zimman 2011. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC) My mistake I did get the references confused, I will cross out that part of the comment. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 02:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC) I noticed a couple statements had refs to sources that don't actually back up what's being said. Most of the examples I found were borderline however in the table "Attested replacement words" the term front hole references Hill-Meyer & Scarborough 2014 however this source doesn't mention the term front hole.CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC) It's at the bottom of p. 355. You've gotta sorta massage Open Library on this, but go to https://archive.org/details/transbodiestrans0000unse/mode/2up?q=355, then click the first result that says "Page 355". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) Thank you for pointing this out, I don't know how I missed it. I will cross out that part of my check! CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 03:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Medical terminology	Done	Rider, Nic G.; Caso, Taymy J.; Czech, Spencer; Karasic, Dan H. (2022). "Terminology in Transgender Medicine". In van Trotsenburg, Mick; Luikenaar, Rixt A. C.; Meriggiola, Maria Cristina (eds.). Context, Principles and Practice of TransGynecology: Managing Transgender Patients in ObGyn Practice. Cambridge UP. doi:10.1017/9781108899987. ISBN 9781108899987.	Was not able to access one source however the rest of the citations I was able to verify.

Finished on August 18 2024 with one minor issue of some refs containing sources that do not contain the information the article is claiming to cite. All but 3 sources have been verified. The people working on this page did an excellent job of putting things in their own words and clearly put a lot of time and effort into this article. Well done! CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 03:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I did the source review for this article and I wanted to show my support for the article based on that. I only found one very minor sourcing issue that was immediately addressed by the nominators. I was able to access almost every single source they used. Everything was put into the writer's own words and there were no plagiarism issues. The nominators clearly put significant time into finding several unique and reliable sources. I've never voted for any featured article or list before so hopefully I did this right. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 23:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Dylan620

I'm going to disclose upfront that I was informed over Discord that a prose review was still needed here – I should be able to do one in the next day or two. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Support on prose. I've read this list quite closely twice over. I've got nothing. I did make a bold attempt at a minor capitalization fix, but the original turned out to be in line with one of MOS's nooks and crannies with which I was unfamiliar. Excellent work, Tamzin and Generalissima. For what it's worth, if either of you have the time or interest, I have a rather old FLC that could still use some feedback. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Airship

This seems quite far away from a list to me. A couple of embedded lists in an article does not mean it becomes a stand-alone list, which is FL is for. As a comparison, none of the five "Terminology of..." articles I just spotchecked are classified as lists. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• @AirshipJungleman29: Plenty of majority-prose articles are classified as lists; for instance, Moons of Uranus. I also don't think similar articles are a good judge, as Moons of Mars and Moons of Pluto are not classified as lists. (Or for another example, Cartography of Jerusalem vs Cartography of China). I feel the ultimately quality of a list is enumerating the notably attested members of some set, which this article does; it just has to do this with large amounts of context in prose or it'd be nonsensical. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 13:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Well no, it could be a glossary, which would have no prose. Instead, this article has been structured to require the large amounts of context in prose, which makes it ... not a list, in my eyes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

    Does the addition of large amounts of text in "Moons of Uranus" make it no longer a simple list of astronomical bodies, typically lacking prose? How much supplementary context a given list needs varies dramatically, and there are numerous examples of lists with similar prose lengths to this. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

    Yes, I wouldn't consider "Moons of Uranus" a list either, and the same with other "lists" like Emirates Cup which I brought up here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: I'm coming at this from a different direction than you or my coäuthor. I do think it's a list, but not for quite the reason that Generalissima does. The relevant variable isn't the amount of prose, but rather to what extent does the article serve to list things rather than describe them. A list should be about the breadth of examples more than the depth of context. A list should be more about the items in the set than the set itself.

Apart from the lede and the Context section, both of which have the standard amount of prose for an FL, most of the rest of the prose in the article is still devoted to the act of listing things, not to exploring the overarching subject in depth. Most of the prose in §§ Colloquial terminology and Medical terminology is devoted to pulling out specific examples from the tabled lists and discussing them in greater detail. By my count, both sections have about 100 words each that discuss the set rather than the items within them. The prose in these sections constitute lists just as much as the tables do. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 03:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

"The prose in these sections constitute lists just as much as the tables do." that is fundamentally altering the definition of a standalone list on Wikipedia, viz. "articles composed of one or more embedded lists, or series of items formatted into a list". It's an interesting thought, but just not how lists currently work.

"most of the rest of the prose in the article is still devoted to the act of listing things, not to exploring the overarching subject in depth" this is the case for most articles. Biographies are devoted to listing the events of lives (in chronological order). It would be a bit odd if I were to slap a timeline at the end of each section of Tolui and say "Most of the prose ... is devoted to pulling out specific examples from the timelines and discussing them in greater detail"—why look at it like this, and not the reverse, the default way?

"By my count, both sections have about 100 words each that discuss the set rather than the items within them." and added to the 200 words in the context section that's more than half the prose? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't really follow your logic. The thing that makes it a list is that it is primarily devoted to listing things, and there's nothing in any guideline giving another definition. If we want to wikilawyer this, then from WP:SAL there's Glossaries are usually titled Glossary of X or Glossary of X terms, though if they contain substantial non-list prose about the nature or history of terminology relating to the topic, as well as a glossary list, a title such as X terminology may be more appropriate. So that's the controlling guideline, the one that WP:FLCR incorporates by reference, saying that this kind of article is a list. If you want to open up a general discussion of whether a list can have too much prose to count as a list, then I think that's reasonable, although per Generalissima it might lead to a few existing FLs getting delisted. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 17:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree with Tamzin on this being a list. It's not a traditional one, but it is still an article with the intent of listing relevant terminology. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll trust your judgement. Support on prose. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments from TechnoSquirrel69

I was surprised to see this nomination is still pending! Comments to come in the next few days. I'm here from a neutral invitation to review that I saw on the Wikimedia Discord server, if that matters to anyone. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 22:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

List of heads of government of Liechtenstein

Nominator(s): TheBritinator (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Renominating this for FL since it's rejection several months ago. I have taken time to significantly improve it to fit the criteria, mostly taken from experience in my other successful nomination, and I believe it is now ready to reviewed again. TheBritinator (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comments

• All images need alt texts.
• Please clarify that you've incorporated all the feedback from the last time this was nominated.
• I would remove the images from the Monarch columns. Its a bit distracting.
• Scopes need to be on the header cell. e.g. in the deputy heads table, the scope is present on the image cells. It should be on the number cell. Also, if the header cell spans multiple rows, then the scope should be "rowgroup". -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hello, I have addressed these comments. TheBritinator (talk) 12:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Noting that I've left a notice about this nom at WP:WikiProject Liechtenstein. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but that WP is inactive. TheBritinator (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "The appointed head of government is typically the leader of the political party with the most seats in the Landtag or a coalition of parties, but is not required to be a member of the Landtag themselves, although they should meet the eligibility requirements for that office." - source for all this?
• "The title was changed to 'Governor'" - what was it before, then? You don't say......
• "People are numbered according to periods served by the same person. For example, Carl von In der Maur served as State Administrator twice in two non-consecutive terms, yet is still counted as the second" - this doesn't really make sense as written. Change it to "People are numbered according to periods served by the same person. For example, Carl von In der Maur served as State Administrator twice in two non-consecutive terms, but is counted only once"
• Any particular reason why the head of government table has the start and dates squished into one column and a duration column but the deputy heads table has the start and end dates in two separate columns and no duration column? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  I actually coincidentally fixed the second one earlier today while working on something else. I will get on the rest tomorrow. TheBritinator (talk) 00:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Feger's first row in the deputies table looks odd with the "duration" being half blank - is the 91 days only the time he served under Ospelt? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  I merged it because he technically still had the role during his time as acting prime minister. TheBritinator (talk) 16:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Sgubaldo

Will try to look at it this weekend. Ping if I haven't said anything by Wednesday. Sgubaldo (talk) 19:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Prose:

• Note a ('Defunct from 1936') probably needs a citation. Also, reading the article, it seems like it merged with a separate minor party. Perhaps this could be added to the note?
• "In 1921, a new constitution was ratified in which the office was replaced by that of Prime Minister" ==> "In 1921, a new constitution was ratified in which the office was replaced by that of the Prime Minister"?
• "The role originated as Landvogt when Michael Menzinger applied for the creation of the role in 1833, which served as the head of the district office, and was the first office-holder" ==> This is one sentence saying two different things at once; I also am not entirely clear if the role itself is what served as the head of the district office. If so, consider changing to something like: "The position originated as Landvogt in 1833, when Michael Menzinger applied for its creation. The role functioned as the head of the district office, with Menzinger serving as the first office-holder."
• "... One of the cabinet ministers is appointed to this position by the prince of Liechtenstein upon the proposal of the Landtag of Liechtenstein." ==> Since this is the first time you're mentioning the prince and landtag in the body, you could probably wikilink both again?

Tables:

• Text and references are centered in the State Administrator table, but not the Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister ones.
• I'm not sure if it's a visual glitch or an issue with the table code, but the Josef Büchel box has some weird doubling of the lines.

Source Formatting:

• Ref. 1 doesn't comply with MOS:ALLCAPS
• Add an archive link for Ref. 2 and 3?
• Minor nitpick but some references have opaque names like :1 or :122, when it would be better to have more descriptive ones.

Sgubaldo (talk) 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Sure, removed the excessive capitalization. Will work on archiving later. TheBritinator (talk) 12:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sgubaldo All comments have been addressed. However, I am having a bit of difficulty in getting the party colour bar to line up and can't seem to get it to work. Also, internet archive appears to be down again for the time being. TheBritinator (talk) 13:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support, but do archive the sources when the IA is back online. Sgubaldo (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

List of cities in Kherson Oblast

Nominator(s): Dan the Animator 20:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Since my other Crimea list FLN has gotten supports and FLNs generally take time, going ahead and nominating this one now to get it started. This list's content is already somewhat prepared, with a lot of it being indirectly reviewed in the past successful FLNs for list of cities in Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast as well as the ongoing FLNs for Zaporizhzhia Oblast and Crimea. Together with Mykolaiv Oblast, Kherson and Mykolaiv oblasts are the only oblasts with less than 10 cities so these lists will likely be somewhat shorter than the rest. That said, considering List of cities in New Brunswick was recently able to pass FLN even with only its eight cities, I'm fairly confident that this (and eventually the Mykolaiv list) will be able to be promoted too. Thanks in advance to everyone for all the feedback and excited to continue the series! :) Dan the Animator 20:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "including the cities Beryslav and Kherson" => "including the cities of Beryslav and Kherson"
• "centered on the village Oleksandrivka" => "centered on the village of Oleksandrivka"
• That's literally all I got - great work once again! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed; thanks ChrisTheDude! :) Dan the Animator 21:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• Settlements with more than 10,000 people are eligible for city status although the status is typically also granted to settlements of historical or regional importance - Probably a comma missing before "although".
• the regional capital Kherson, --> the regional capital, Kherson,
• from its previous name Tsiurupynsk for Tsiurupynsk's connection - I would leave it like this: "from its previous name, Tsiurupynsk, for its connection"
• including the capital Kherson, --> "including the capital, Kherson,"
• As of 22 December 2022 - It feels as a bit of a distant date already.
• Links to Ukrainian Wikipedia articles --> "Links to the Ukrainian Wikipedia articles"

That's what I saw, Dantheanimator. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Alavense! I think I fixed all of them. Let me know if there's anything else I can do. Dan the Animator 18:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits and nice work. Support. Alavense (talk) 05:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Noting that I've left a notice about this nom at WP:WikiProject Ukraine. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments by CMD

For the director/delegates, I reviewed the Donetsk and Luhansk noms so I don't know how much novel thought I'm bringing here, but anyway.

• Is "typically" in "typically granted" the right word? What Ukrainian word is being translated for that?

• The phrasing's mine based on the information from the sources, not that it's worded that way in any of the Ukrainian refs (the All About Accounting ref (#4) lists the considerations that are used for granting city status under "Стаття 2. Утворення (ліквідація) населених [...] категорії" while the Ukraina Moloda specifies the general 10,000 population benchmark that allows for automatic city status). It was supposed to emphasize that the status is flexible and has been given to a lot of places that aren't necessarily all the same. After giving it more thought tho, I just removed the word "typically" since it doesn't really add much and it looks like it would probably need an additional source imo. Just in case, let me know if you think it should be re-added.

That said, I'm also starting to wonder now, do you think the sentence should be reworded to include more of the considerations listed on ref #4? There's a lot of considerations and when wording the sentence, I tried to make it so it would get the general idea across but I could reword it to say Settlements with more than 10,000 people are eligible for city status, although the status is also granted based on a number of other considerations. and add in an efn note listing all the considerations from ref #4. Another option too is to leave the wording as-is and add an efn note saying something along the lines Since the enactment of new administrative laws in 2020, the factors considered by the Verkhovna Rada are.... Personally think its fine as-is but interested to know your thoughts.

The issue with relying too much on Article 2 of the source is that it seems generically associated with all settlement types. Article 10 (and 12 I guess) do not mention them. Transitional note 4 is perhaps more key as it grandfathers in city statues. I think keeping it at a brief mention as currently done works well, absent a secondary source doing analysis on the law. CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• "official census", is there a need to specify "official"? It begs the question of an unofficial census.

• Yes, the wording is necessary and very intentional. The 2022 estimates are often times referred to as Ukraine's "unofficial census" and I think there have been some privately led attempts at collecting census information across Ukraine since 2001. The 2001 census is also the only traditional census by the government that's been held across the entirety of independent Ukraine so it's important to emphasize the importance of the census and why its numbers are used in the lead instead of the more recent 2022 estimates.

• How would you feel about appending new footnote [e] explaining 2022 to that sentence (maybe after footnote [a]?), to explain this answer to the question raised? CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not sure the "As of 11 July 2023" note is needed, but won't oppose due to it.

• Thought it'd be a good idea to have in case there's another government-held census in Ukraine sooner than later.

• "...for its connection...", subject of "its" is unclear. Maybe "...due to the previous name's connection...".

• I think saying "the previous name" twice makes the sentence sound a bit too repetitive (Oleshky, was renamed in 2016 from its previous name, Tsiurupynsk, due to the previous name's connection with). Maybe there's another way to phrase it with less repetition? I'm okay also with making the change but I think it'd be preferable to not have it that repetitive.

• What about adjusting the start of the sentence to explain "decommunization" there, eg. "Following the passing of decommunization laws aimed at removing names with connections to people, places, events, and organizations associated with the Soviet Union, one city within the oblast, Tsiurupynsk, was renamed Oleshky in 2016." CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Would suggest starting a new paragraph at "From independence in 1991...", seems a separate topic.

• I tested it out but I think it makes the lead appear too long for its amount of text. As it reads right now, the whole 2nd paragraph is about the Russian invasion and its effects while the first paragraph is the general information so I think the organization is alright imo.

• After I made this comment, I did find that the Odesa list uses this split. Is there a reason it works for one and not the other? CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speaking of which, "From independence in 1991..." does not seem correct, some or all of the cities (at least Kakhovka) may have had that status prior to 1991 as there was administrative continuity through the breakup of the Soviet Union. "Prior to 2020..." may handle the relevant information for this article's purposes.

• Used "Prior to.." wording. Thanks! :)

• Is the Kakhovka Dam sentence relevant here?

• I think so since the flooding had a heavy impact on the cities but I'm also open to taking it out if there's a compelling case for it.

• It's not wrong, it mostly feels unspecific to cities. CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Given the events of 2022, it is probably worth specifying the table population estimates are from January (ie, pre-invasion) 2022.

• Added in an efn note but would appreciate some help in rewording/phrasing it right (its footnote e).

• Maybe not "accurate as of" given they are estimates and they are specifically for that date. Perhaps past tense as well, otherwise it gets the message across. CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Is there a general statement that can be added to the lead regarding why the populations just dropped across the board from 2001 to 2022?

• Working on it... The population drops are for the same reasons of demographic decline in the rest of Ukraine before the war and other Eastern European countries (mostly economic stagnation, lack of jobs/opportunities, and political disfunction). Will add another reply when ready with the edits.

Impressive that the estimate for Oleshky was one off the 2001 census. CMD (talk) 07:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, quiet the coincidence, although who wouldn't want to live next to one of Ukraine's few deserts? ;) Dan the Animator 04:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Seems we lack articles on two of them, although Kuialnyk Estuary is in the category at uk.wiki for some reason. CMD (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

That's because the estuary has almost entirely dried up and has essentially turned into a salt field (1, 2), which could be classified as a type of a desert. Though there are works on saving the estuary, for example in 2022 the area became a national park. Shwabb1 ⟨taco⟩ 05:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

List of works by Francisco Salamone

Nominator(s): Yilku1 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because Salamone is one of the most unique architects in Argentina, with a Metropolis-inspired style. I went to the library of the architecture school in my city to read the books to make this article. Yilku1 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

• What's the initial sorting order of the tables? It's not the name of the building or the date. In fact it just seems completely random..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  • I sorted by partidos, what would be an accepted order?.--Yilku1 (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
    • If that is the case, why is "General San Martín" near the bottom......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

      Would it be better to sort by building name? Yilku1 (talk) 01:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

      I would say that either building name or date would be the most logical things by which to sort -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

       Done I sorted by building name. I didn't see your comment before. Yilku1 (talk) 05:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• I would also add that the sorting by coordinate is not working and that the "Notes" column should not be sortable. Broc (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

  That is because addresses are before coordinates. Yilku1 (talk) 01:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 19:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

   Done Yilku1 (talk) 17:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

More comments

• "The majority of his work consisted mainly of" - no need to say both "the majority of" and "mainly" so get rid of one
• "he only built 2 private homes" => "he only built two private homes"
• "only projected 2 buildings" - the number should be written as a word. Also, I have no idea what you mean when you say he "projected" two buildings. This verb does not make sense in this context in English.
• Capitalisation of most of the headings is wrong. Only the first word should be capitalised.
• One address and a few dates are missing. Are these not known?
• Almost all of the notes are not full sentences so they don't need full stops. The one word note "Extension" certainly doesn't need one.
• "For the following works it can not be fully confirmed the authorship of Salamone." => "For the following works the authorship of Salamone cannot be fully confirmed." -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

   Done The missing dates are not listed in my sources. Yilku1 (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• more than 60 monumental buildings in Buenos Aires Province - Maybe in the Buenos Aires Province?
• After several problems - What kinds of problems?
• the task of building different public buildings - Erecting? Constructing? Find something to avoid the repetition.
• giving him full powers for his projects, encouraging the growth of small towns and cities - Those two gerunds in a row sound a bit odd. Maybe something along the lines of giving him full powers for his projects, which were expected to encourage the growth of small towns and cities?
• You can say something more about Salamone in the caption of the image. In any case, it shouldn't have a full stop, as it's not a complete sentence.
• municipalities - Maybe you mean city hall?
• cemeteries portals - cemetery portals
• In Argentina the territorial divisions of second order are called Partidos in the Buenos Aires and Departamentos in the other provinces - No need for the uppercase in Partidos or Departamentos.
• The town of Vicente López covers the whole Partido of the same name - Same with Partido.
• Consider using {{ill}} to link cities and towns which don't have an article on this Wikipedia.
• Consider splitting the references into two columns.
• Many of the issues raised above by ChrisTheDude have not been addressed yet, I'm afraid.

I still have to take a look at the table, but I'd rather wait until you take previous comments into consideration. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done Yilku1 (talk) 23:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I think many of the suggestions haven't been taken into account yet. As ChrisTheDude pointed out, there are many notes which probably could do without the full stops. The caption could have a bit more than just the name of the architect. I notice now, as well, that this list is probably a translation of the Spanish one? In that case, the translation would need an attribution, and that's a requirement. You can read more about that here. Alavense (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

What counts as full sentences and what doesn't? Does "Work by César Fernández" needs a full stop or not? Does it need attribution if I am the author of both articles? Yilku1 (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, that is definitely not a full sentence. I reckon that's pretty obvious. You can find more information regarding those issues in WP:CAPTION. And I don't think the fact that you are the "author" (whatever that means) of the other article matters. I already provided a link with further information. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed more full stops. Yilku1 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Just following up with @Alavense to see if all of their concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm still concerned about lack of attribution for the translation, for example. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done It's in the talk page. Yilku1 (talk) 04:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Image review — Pass

• The image in the infobox is of the architect and has an appropriate public domain license.
• The remaining images are also all relevant, being of the structures listed.
• All the images have ALT tags, although these seem to be titles rather than descriptions.
• The majority of the images have been uploaded to Wikimedia by their creators and have an appropriate Creative Commons license tags, including:
  • Palacio Municipal de Carhué.JPG*Municipalidad Gonzalez Chávez.jpg
  • Centro Cultural de González Chavez.JPG
  • Delegacion municipal alberdi bsas.jpg
  • Matadero de Alberdi, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
  • Municipalidad de Alberti 2019.jpg
  • Ex Club Social de Alberti bis.jpg
  • Antigua delegación municipal de Alem, provincia de Buenos Aires.jpg
  • Matadero de Alem, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
  • Salamone en Ayacucho y Alvear.jpg
  • AzulCementerio.jpg
  • Ex-Matadero Municipal de Azul.JPG
  • Cementerio Municipal de Balcarce, Obra del Arq. Salamone.jpg
  • Matadero Municipal.jpg
  • DelegacionMunicipal LagunaAlsina.jpg
  • Delegación Municipal Cacharí.JPG
  • MataderoMunicipalCacharí.jpg
  • Casa de Carlos Calegari.jpg
  • DelegacionMunicipal Casbas.jpg
  • Delegación Municipal Chillar.JPG
  • Matadero chillar.jpg
  • Delegación Coronel Mom.jpg
  • Municipalidad de Pringles (3).JPG
  • Matadero Municipal de Coronel Pringles (2).JPG
  • Casa Daneri-DSCN0142.jpg
  • Casa mdp.jpg
  • Hospital Municipal General Eustoquio Díaz Vélez.jpg
  • DelegacionMunicipal Garre.jpg
  • Palacio Municipal Guaminí 1x1.jpg
  • Matadero Guamini 2x3.jpg
  • Corralón Municipal Laprida.jpg
  • Laprida Cemetery Facade 04.JPG
  • Palacio Municipal de Laprida, fachada.JPG
  • Delegación Municipal de Los Pinos 15092013.jpg
  • DelegacionMunicipal Miranda.jpg
  • MataderoMunicipal Pellegrini.jpg
  • Palacio Municipal de Rauch.JPG
  • Escuela Secundaria Nº 1.jpg
  • Saldungaray Portal Cementerio.jpg
  • Delegación Municipal de Saldungaray 2.JPG
  • Mercado Saldungaray.jpg
  • Matadero Saldungaray 1.jpg
  • Cementerio Salliqueló.jpg
  • MataderoMunicipal Salliqueló.jpg
  • Delegación Municipal de San Agustín.jpg
  • DelegacionMunicipal TresLomas.jpg
  • MataderoMunicipal TresLomas.jpg
  • Delegación Municipal Tres Picos.jpg
  • Matadero de Vedia, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
  • Matadero Municipal de Villa Epecuén 1x1.jpg
  • Matadero Modelo Villa María.JPG
  • Municipalidad de Pringles (4).JPG
  • FuenteOrnamental Guaminí.jpg
  • Cruz del Cementerio de Carhué.JPG
  • Cruz del Cementerio.JPG
  • Cruz5.jpg
  • ViaCrucis Azul.jpg
  • Cruz Guamini.jpg
  • Portada Parque Municipal de Azul D.F.Sarmiento.JPG
  • Plaza General Arias.jpg
  • Palacio Municipal de Pellegrini, Equipamientos..JPG
  • Portal del Parque Municipal General San Martín.jpg
  • PlazaIndependencia Saldungaray.jpg
  • Plaza Juan Pascual Pringles 03.JPG
  • PlazaLeandroNAlem TresLomas.jpg
  • PlazoletaMunicipalidad Rauch.jpg
  • Plaza San Martin de Azul.jpg
• Valle Hermoso Cine Valle de la Castellana.jpg is released by its author with a GNU license as well as a CC license.
• The following have appropriate public domain licenses in Argentina as the images are more than 25 years old and were first published over 20 years ago:
  • Matadero de Laprida.png Municipalidad de Las Varillas.jpg
  • Municipalidad de Vedia 1940.jpg
  • Cementerio de Pilar.jpg
  • Palacio Municipal de Tornquist 1940.jpg
  • Plaza Centenario.png
  • Villa María, Boulevard España.jpg
  • Plaza Libertad Balcarce 1937.jpg
  • Plaza Pedro Pereyra 2.jpg
  • Plaza Rivadavia Vedia.jpg
  • Portal del parque Venado Tuerto.png
  • Portal del parque Garay

• The following images are from Flicr and have been reviewed:
  • Municipalidad de Chascomús.jpg
  • Municipalidad de Pellegrini.jpg

• The following has been released by the author into the public domain:
  • Tornquist1.jpg

In summary, the images seem relevant and have appropriate license tags. simongraham (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I added these new images: File:Chascomús, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina - panoramio (27).jpg, File:Cementerio de laprida salamone.jpg, File:Plaza General San Martín (Azul, Buenos Aires).jpg. Yilku1 (talk) 04:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

This nomination has been open for over 2 months without any support for promotion. If this does not change soon the nomination will be closed. I would recommend reaching out to likely reviewers to try to get it some more attention. @Alavense: do you plan on returning to support or oppose this nomination? --PresN 18:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I think this list still needs quite a lot of work, as it has been pointed out by other reviewers. Alavense (talk) 07:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Also pinging @ChrisTheDude: Yilku1 (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Comments by KJP1

It's obvious a great deal of effort has gone into compiling this list, and the main editor has done a good job of presenting the information well. That being said, there are a few issues, one major, which would prevent me supporting promotion at present.

Criterion 1: Prose - "it features professional standards of writing"

• "60 monumental buildings" - In what way are the buildings "monumental"? Are slaughterhouses, sidewalks car parks and street furniture generally monumental? More importantly, who says that they are?
• "a new mayor was elected that started solving the municipal deficit by ending public works and accusing the former mayor of embezzlement" - this doesn't quite work. I think it is saying that a new mayor attempted to solve a municipal deficit by ending public works, and by an anti-corruption drive. This led to Salamone leaving Villa Maria due to his work drying up. But I'm not sure, as the prose is unclear.
• "the conservative Manuel Fresco of the National Democratic Party" - a social conservative, a political conservative? Does it matter?
• What are "cemetery portals"? Gates?
• "of corruption in a paving work" - what is a paving work? A project to undertake the paving of streets?
• "on two buildings of rationalist style" - link, Rationalism (architecture)?

Criterion 3: Comprehensiveness - "it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items"

• For me, the major concern is the absence of any notes for most of the entries. This is particularly important as none of the entries in the list have standalone articles. Therefore, without any annotation, the reader is left with next to no information on the buildings themselves. Who built them/paid for them? In what style were they constructed? What functions did they serve? Do they still exist/have they been demolished/repurposed? For example, what were the "Alberdi/Alem/Bonifacio... Municipal Delegations"? Are they town halls? What happened at the "Municipal Ranch"? What was the "Spain House"? This last does have a one-word note, "Extension". But to what original structure? In this regard, the absence of a "Type/Function" column seems to me to be a weakness. There clearly are themes - lots of municipal offices/slaughterhouses/car parks/cemeteries etc. It would be helpful to be able to sort by function. Looking at some, random, current Architecture FLs, [1], I'm not immediately seeing any that have almost entirely empty Notes columns. This is the case even if many/most of the entries have standalone articles. I feel that, currently, the reader is left wanting in this regard. I'm unsure whether the main editor would be able to address this issue within the FLC, but will see what they say. At present, I would Oppose promotion. KJP1 (talk) 06:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Working in it. Yilku1 (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Fixed your points, fortunately I found a book by the National Monuments Commission listing protected buildings built by Salamone. Yilku1 (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

List of governors of Edo State

Nominator(s): Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

This is the list of governors of Nigeria's state of Edo from when the region was called Mid-Western renamed to Bendel and then splitted into Edo and Delta, this is focusing on Edo. I have significantly worked on this and think it meets the criteria for FL. This list looks very similar to other lists of governors. Feedbacks would be greatly appreciated. This would be part of the ongoing Developing Countries Wiki Contest which I am participating in. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces: You haven't completed step 5 of the nomination procedure laid out in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 Whoops, done, thanks for pointing out. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Comments

MPGuy2824

• The party colors in the Edo state table make no sense without a legend. Alternatively, you can move the party color next to the party name and skip the legend.
• When images aren't there for a particular person, you can add a centered emdash.
• Some of the refs are missing archive links.
• In order to avoid cluttering the table with references, you could move them all to a new column at right-end of the table.
• Every image should have alt text. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  @MPGuy2824 Please can you suggest how I can add a legend? Where to place it? templates I can use? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  If you are going with that option, you can either use {{Legend}} or just a normal table. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  @MPGuy2824 Oh, I think there's no need for that. Because I just put the colours before the party names. That makes sense now. Do you think the table is currently cluttered with refs right now? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  I just put the colours before the party names Yup, no need to add a legend now.

  Do you think the table is currently cluttered with refs right now? I had noticed refs in quite a few columns at the time, but now I see that each ref is supporting a particular piece of data. I think this is fine as is. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  @MPGuy2824 Hi there, pinging as you did not seem to practically vote on this :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Some things to be fixed:

  • "executive functions, while the Governor's role" => "governor"
  • "George Agbazika Innih and Husaini Abdullahi later served as military governors." This line isn't needed at the end of the Mid-Western Region section, since they are rightly mentioned in the next section.
  • "Following the administrative changes"
  • "and local governments under the regime of General Murtala Mohammed" add a comma after governments.
  • "style="height:2em;" isn't really needed since the photos take up more space than that anyway.
  • "first military governor of the newly Edo State." or "newly formed"
  • "Oversaw the transition period following Ogbemudia's administration."
  • "Brief return to civilian rule under the umbrella of the National Party of Nigeria before the 1983 military coup." Use brackets (or commas) before and after the phrase "under the umbrella of the National Party of Nigeria"
  • "The 15 January 1966, military coup" Eliminate the comma.
  • Wikilink "Dimka"
  • User:Lingzhi2/reviewsourcecheck-sb.js is showing some seemingly fixable issues with the references.

  -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  @MPGuy2824 I cleared all now, except that the second entry in the "Sources" section is showing "Missing archive link" even though I do not have a URL parameter, I'm sure it is misinterpreting the DOI as one.

  Thank you very much for spotting these :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

  • 'style="height:2em;" isn't really needed' - you've ignored this one, but I hadn't mentioned that it was mandatory.
  • Link to "Dimka" in the footnotes. - It might be better to link directly to the relevant section (Participation in the 13 February 1976 Coup and death) of the article.

  Support based on prose and table accessibility. Supporting in advance, since I'm sure you'll fix the last point. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

  Done, thank you so much :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

SnowFire

Nice work. However, I'm not so certain on the prose. I made some sample edits to the lede that you should feel free to adjust to try to "tell a story" more, as the old lede bounced around in time. In general, it's not good to replicate the table in prose - it's better to indicate something that isn't already in the table, ideally, rather than just name-drop people. A few other questions:

• Was Osadebay's title really "Civilian Premier"? https://nigeriareposit.nln.gov.ng/items/fd2b27ce-45c7-4a60-9459-afcd4fc9a566 just calls him "premier" and that seems an unusual title.
• Similarly, it'd be one thing if this was only post-1991 leaders, but being that the earlier pre-1991 stuff is included... the obvious starting point seems like it'd be independence, but the article doesn't discuss 1960-1963 at all. How was the region organized in that period? Even if the answer is "as an insignificant part of a much larger unit" or "not at all", it would still be good to mention what structure did exist.
• Feel free to restore if it's a quirk of Nigerian English, but I don't think "civilian" titles are used typically on Wikipedia per MOS:CREDENTIAL. It's fine to mention military titles mostly to quickly signify the role was military, but "Prof." or "Dr." is more questionable unless it's also a COMMONNAME.
• Why is "Deputy governors represented the same party as their governor." a footnote to the Deputy column? That seems like something more for prose in the table introduction to explain the role of Deputy Governor.
• First, I'm not sure the birth & death dates for governors is really relevant to include at all, but I know lots of similar lists include it, so if you want to include it that's fine. That said... I'm not a fan of ???? for unknown dates. Just omit them, IMO (but feel free to push back if this is in fact the standard). And is Baba Adamu Iyam really dead at an unknown year? His article suggests he is alive. SnowFire (talk) 07:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@SnowFire

• I removed the Civilian
• I am confident that this list is as concise and inclusive as it should be right now. I don't want to come up with information I have no source for. Which is why I am sticking to information from sources that are available.
• This is okay by me.
• Please can you explain further what you mean?
• I could omit the birth/death dates that are unknown, but I don't think it is not really necessary to not include their birth/death dates at all. I have seen similar lists in formats like this. Iyam's article does not suggest he is alive, his death date is unknown.

Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Is there really no information on how the 1960-1963 Western Region was governed and who by? I get that sourcing can be tough for these topics, but I don't really see a reason why the chart should start in 1963 but not 1960, so this seems a clear gap. If the records were lost or the region really was in chaos and had no governor, then fine, we can say so ("the governors of the Western Region in 1960-63 are unknown"), but that seems like it'd be surprising if really true.
• I don't feel like the Deputy Governor party footnote makes the most sense as a footnote rather than prose. If you disagree, that's fine, it's not mandatory, but I would suggest explaining the Deputy Governor in the prose introduction is preferred if it's going to be included in the table. This can include the way they're elected and why they usually match the party of the Governor.
• The guideline is that for anyone who would be older than 115, if there isn't an explicit source saying they're alive, we assume they're dead. But otherwise, we assume they're alive, because falsely reporting someone as dead is much worse than falsely assuming a dead person is alive. So maybe ???? is fine for people born in 1909 and before in charts, but we should use "born 19XX" or "b. 19XX" when it's unknown. (And Iyam's article has no death date listed and has him in Category:Living people?). If you have a source saying Iyam is dead, then let's update his article, but if we're not sure on his status, we should default to only showing the known birth date and no marking implying a death date.
• There are still some prose concerns. I suppose I can just make the changes myself but see the example on the lede - the body still has stuff like "Prof. Oserheimen Osunbor, Comrade Adams Oshiomhole," without it being clear that these are COMMONNAME titles. SnowFire (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Checking in again. You wrote " I don't want to come up with information I have no source for." but I really don't think these are THAT hard to find sources on. While there are premiers in this list, it looks like there was both a governor AND a Premier in the Western Region of the time. It looks like Adesoji Aderemi was governor 1960-63, while Samuel Ladoke Akintola was Premier of the Western Region in 1960-1962. Some sort of political crisis broke out in 1962 and Akintola was dismissed by Aderemi. The WP article says he was dismissed due to a declaration of emergency and M. A. Majekodunmi was sent on a temporary basis (sourced to "The Fate of Africa" p.193, which isn't that expensive as an e-book - maybe more there? I don't have access.). This contemporary 1962 news article suggests that Dauda Soroye Adegbenro sought to become Premier, but a court blocked it (unclear if it stuck) and tried to restore Akintola. But this was just from a quick surface-level search. This suggests that there are surely deeper sources if the basics aren't that hard to find. Unless there is some other reason to exclude the material?
• On death dates, this is something that I'm more insistent on. "born 1942" suggests just that, a birth date, but "1942-????" implies an unknown death date very clearly to me. SnowFire (talk) 03:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  @SnowFire Hi there, I have made significant cleanup per the COMMONNAME titles. I have also a subsection called Western Region you can take a look at, based on your recommendations above. Also did some MOS fixes to the dates. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• (de-indent) Sorry, it looks like I phrased my comment unclearly above. What I meant was not literally "19XX", but rather the actual appropriate date for when the birthdate is known but the death date is unknown. For example, if someone was born in 1943 but we aren't sure when or if they died, we should write "born 1943" or "b. 1943". Checking, MOS:APPROXDATE does not include any guidance for when everything is unknown, but I presume omitting is the default. I remain firmly opposed to any form of an end date with ???? (or 19XX) when we aren't sure whether they're dead at all.
• As I wrote above, to be clear, I wasn't complaining about the military titles. That said I won't complain given that you've removed most of them, the above complaint was on stuff like "Prof." or "Comrade" without evidence of a common name. (If it's a common name like "Mother Teresa" then feel free to just say so.)
• Question: Did you get access to "The Fate of Africa", or AGFing it? Because I was just offering that reference from elsewhere on Wikipedia to investigate, if you were depending on me here.
• I'm still not happy with the prose in parts, but just going to edit it myself. One area I didn't edit - The Mid-Western Region's administrative history is relevant to the formation and early governance of Edo State - this seems taunting. How is it relevant? You're leaving the reader hanging! Can you explain what is meant here, or rephrase? I made my changes in this diff, feel free to speak up if I erred in here. SnowFire (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  @SnowFire Oh yes, I got access to The Fate of Africa source. Thank you for your edit, I ended up removing that statement entirely. Thank you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  Just following up to see if all of @SnowFire's concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

  I attended to these already, waiting for SnowFire's comment. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• I've been completely swamped the past week or so. Sorry about the delay. Support. SnowFire (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments from TechnoSquirrel69

Putting myself down for later, per request from Vanderwaalforces. I'll likely tackle a source review in the process. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Following up to see if you're still interested in doing a source review @TechnoSquirrel69. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

My apologies, everyone — life called and I was unable to edit these last couple of days. Anyways, have a review, Vanderwaalforces! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Source review

Citation numbers from this revision.

• Remove the uppercase letters from citations 2, 5, 7, 11, and 26.
• Synchronize the use of dashes between citations 2, 12, 19, and 27. Don't use double hyphens per MOS:DASH.
• Citation 12: The article prose uses em dashes between dates, but this citation uses an en dash; use one or the other.
• Citation 12 again: Remove the author parameter. Also, can this be linked to The Nation (Nigeria)?
• Citation 18: remove the |publisher=.
• Citations 19 and 20: remove the newspaper names from the titles.
• Citation 23: straighten out the spacing in the title.
• Citation 24: what does |publisher=[s.n.] mean? Don't initialize the first name. Archive links are not needed for Google Books.
• Citation 35: add |lang=pcm.
• I'm not going to ask for it, but you might consider standardizing the casing of the titles — this script might be able to help.
• The use of shortened footnotes is a bit confusing. Both Abernethy 1964 and Iweze & Anyanwu 2021 are cited only once, so consider putting the full citations in a footnote instead.
• Eweka 2013, on the other hand, cites multiple pages, but the full citation is in a footnote instead of the sources list.

The Internet Archive seems to be having server issues, so I wasn't able to get to many of my checks. More comments are on their way. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@TechnoSquirrel69 Thank you so much for these comments, I fixed all of them now. The script didn't help, lol, I had to do them myself, thanks for pointing to it. I'd await your further comments. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your work so far! The Archive outage continues, which is rather hampering my progress here, especially on the sources I really want to check the reliability of. I decided to just post the rest of the formatting comments I have. I'll get to the spot-checks when the Archive comes back online. Now working from this revision.

• I keep timing out when trying to access citation 1. Does it need a |url-status=dead?
• Format citation 2 with |last= and |first=.
• The ISSN in citation 4 doesn't appear to be valid.
• Remove the redundant author parameters from citation 5.
• & → and in citation 5 per MOS:&.
• Do we have the first name for the author in citation 6? Link The Africa Report.
• Capital letters in citation 7.
• Link Vanguard in citation 8.
• Link Premium Times in citation 10.
• Citation 16 needs a first name.
• There's a stray space in the title of citation 17. Italicize Not His Master's Voice. Is allafrica.com the proper name of this publication? If so, please capitalize it and remove it from the title.
• Same question for Nigeriaworld.com in citation 19.
• Link Daily Trust in citations 20 and 21.
• Maybe link Nigerian Armed Forces in citation 24?
• Citation 27 needs fixes for spacing, dashes, and an ampersand as above. Probably switch the |work= to |publisher=, along with citation 28.
• Link The Punch in citation 29.
• Add |lang=pcm to citation 30. Would you mind doing another scan for non-English sources in case I missed any and marking them as needed?
• Remove the author parameters from citation 32.
• I'd recommend removing the author parameters from citation 34 and expanding the initialism in the |publisher= parameter. The year in the title is not needed if you're also putting it in the citation.
• Standardize the inclusion of ISSNs, please. For example, citation 36 has one but not citation 10 from the same publication.

Bottom text —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@TechnoSquirrel69 Hi there. Looks like archive.org is live now? I was able to access some archive links, just letting you know. I will get to these comments now. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

List of state presidents of the Indian National Congress

Nominator(s): 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 13:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel the list has been written with the FL criteria in mind. "All sorts of suggestions and inputs are welcome. Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 13:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• "a state presidents is tasked"

 Fixed

• "including the appointment and coordination of leaders at various levels viz" - What is that supposed to mean? I don't understand the "viz" at the end.

 Fixed

• "District committee, block committee and for each panchayat development block or panchayat samiti." - Is that sentence missing a verb or something?

 Fixed

• "As of now" reads a bit vague.

 Fixed

• "the INC has state and UT presidents for all states and union territory in India" - If I'm not mistaken, there are several union territories in India, so why say "union territory"?

 Fixed

• Conversely, the abbreviation in the second table should read "Union territory" instead of "Union Territories", as there's only one in each row.

 Fixed

• In the tables, the name of the incumbent should be moved to the second column, leaving the portrait for the third one.

 Fixed

• Could anything be said about those vacancies?

Actually their appointment date is not available at this time. Hence, I have added a note.

• All the article titles read like this: "X Pradesh Congress Committee". Why then, in the tables, do we sometimes have "Andhra Pradesh" and sometimes just "Assam"?

 Fixed

Thanks in advance for your responses, 25 Cents FC. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 11:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Dear Alavense, I have addressed all the issues you raised. If you have any further questions, please feel free to include them in your response. Thank you for your attention and cooperation.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 12:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, 25 Cents FC, I was away on holidays. A few more things:

• "decision making body" should be "decision-making body".

 Done

• In addition, A state

 Done

• reaching out to diverse sections of society, and addressing - That comma is not needed.

 Done

• That last "currently" feels a bit vague. Since when?

 Done

• For Varsha Gaikwad, there's an image of her available in Commons, so maybe you could crop it and include it.

 Done

Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable comments, Alavense mate. I’ve addressed the points. Let me know if everything looks good.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 12:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support. Alavense (talk) 13:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "indulging in political campaigns" - not sure "indulging in" is the right term. I suggest "leading"

 Done

• "Also known as the leader of the state and UT party,"- write union territory in full

 Done

• "Pradesh Congress Committee" - is there a link for this? Or if not, can you take a few words to explain what it is?

 Done

• "each panchayat development block" - same comment as above

 Done

• "Appointed by" column should sort on surname, not forename

Could you please help me with this? Just one example, and I will take care of the rest.

 Done

• As the tables are sortable, the names in the "appointed" column should be linked each time

Need help on this one too.

• That's it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi ChrisTheDude Help me with the last two options. An example will be sufficient for me to take care of the rest. Thank you.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 12:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey @ChrisTheDude, looks like the user's ping to you failed. Just letting you know! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to be a bother @ChrisTheDude, just checking whether you support this or not. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Hello @PresN, @Arconning, @MPGuy2824, @Hey man im josh Sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to confirm if this list has your support. Thank you. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 11:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

  @25 Cents FC: Please don't ping people unnecessarily who haven't participated. I followed up on your behalf with another reviewer, while PresN hasn't commented yet. As noted at the top of WP:FLC, this list is still awaiting a source review. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

  Hi @Hey man im josh Sure. I just wanted to ensure that the list is not ignored and receives sufficient support, as this is its second nomination. Thanks again 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 14:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  @25 Cents FC: We do not ignore nominations, this nomination is still waiting for a source review. See Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/backlog/items, which is shown at the top of WP:FLC, above all of the nominations but below the reviewing procedure. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

2023–24 figure skating season

Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because all of the information has been properly sourced and tables have been formatted to comply with Wikipedia's MOS. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Image review by Staraction

• All images are relevant to article
• All images appropriately captioned
• All images have appropriate licensing, AGF on self-published works
• Images need alt text - see MOS:ALT for more information
• Images need to be resized using scaling instead of specifying px. See WP:SCALE for more information

Thanks for your work @Bgsu98. Staraction (talk | contribs) 13:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

These should all be addressed. Thank you so much for your input! Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Support on images. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment

• How come you used so many external links for sources for some of these tables? The international tables, except for the cancelled international competitions, are all pointing to external sources instead of following the format (references in that row instead) used by the rest of the article
• Date formats are inconsistent in references, consider adding {{Use mdy dates|July 2024}} to the top of the article under the short description
• Inconsistent linking of works in references, an example of this is
• Access dates missing for a number of sources
• Links should be archived once the bot is back up
• A number of references use "ISU results" as the website and "International Skating Union" as the publisher. It makes more sense to use just "International Skating Union"
• Some refs need to be downcased, such as 74, 76, and 77, so the names are not entirely capitalized
• A lot of these references to social media posts are dead with no archive link available, such as refs 7, 10, 16, and 24

I think there's a fair bit of work that still needs to be done on this article. Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh, with regards to your first question, I don't know. That is how these season articles have always been set up. Is there any benefit to providing a link versus an imbedded source? If not, I will convert them all over to sources. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response @Bgsu98, I missed yours when catching up on my pings yesterday. See WP:CS:EMBED, which is about avoiding embedded links. Additionally, I think it makes sense to be consistent throughout the list and for the tables to not have different reference styles. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. I have begun replacing the links with proper sources. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh, thank you for improving the source formats. I will finish converting the dance links over this weekend; I had new teacher orientation all this week and haven't had much time for Wikipedia. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh, I have finished converting the links to proper sources for the ice dance section, which should complete everything. Please let me know if there is anything else I need to address. Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 15:36, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

  PresN, those captions should all be included now. Thank you for catching those for me! Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

List of Women's Basketball Academic All-America Team Members of the Year

Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because of the recent success of Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Football Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive2. I think this list is of similar quality and preparedness.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Drive-by accessibility comments

• Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1987 becomes !scope=row | 1987 (on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead. This is needed for both tables.
  • OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
• Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Year becomes !scope=col | Year. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead. This is for the 4-division table.
  • I think this is what you want.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
• You cannot only use bolding or a background color to indicate something. Use a symbol. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
  • User:MPGuy2824, when I added scope row, why did the second column get bolded?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

    The header cell needs to be in its own separate line. i.e. move the University winner's name to a new line. This should fix the problem. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

    Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Alavense

• I think the first sentence could be reworded for clarity - the way it's written, it appears to say that the award is the most outstanding female, which doesn't make sense.
  • I think I have addressed this issue. Not sure.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:51, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• The districts are as follows: – District 1 (CT, MA, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT), District 2 (DC, DE, KY, MD, NJ, PA, WV), District 3 (NC, TN, VA), District 4 (AL, FL, GA, PR, SC), District 5 (IL, IN, MI, OH), District 6 (AR, IA, LA, MN, MO, MS, MT, ND, SD, WI, WY), – District 7 (CO, ID, KS, NE, NM, NV, OK, TX), District 8 (AK, AZ, CA, HI, OR, UT, WA, Canada). What do the – stand for?
  • I don't think you asked a clear question. Are you asking what the linked abbreviations stand for?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
    • I don't understand why there are – before districts 1 and 7, TonyTheTiger. Alavense (talk) 06:52, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
      • Not needed. Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Men's and women's basketball No need for the capital m.
  • Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Two-time Winners No need for the capital w.
  • This seemed like a proper place to use Title case. Is this against MOS? Happy to change if it is.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• I find the captions in the charts confusing. I thing something along these lines would be clearer: Maya Moore (pictured in 2019), the 2010 and 2011 winner
  • OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• the have been
  • Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• The notes belong in the "Footnotes" section.
  • Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Note c) doesn't require a full stop.
  • Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Those are the things that caught my attention in a first read, TonyTheTiger. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 10:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I still think that the first sentence is not clear enough. In general, I feel the first paragraph is a bit convoluted, in my opinion. For the tables, wouldn't it be better to use a dagger and background colour instead of just bold. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 09:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a suggestion for the first sentence because I am not seeing the confusion.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 10:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I am trying to determine if the convoluted paragraph was because of two different emphases. I have split the first paragraph. Could you tell me if both halves are convoluted.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 10:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there an example of a table that uses the dagger and background color that you suggest. Is this combination in keeping with MOS and accessibility policies?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 10:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, the thing is I don't think it complies with MOS as it is, as MPGuy2824 already pointed out. I'd get rid of the bold and include, instead, a symbol and a background colour. You have more information regarding symbols and the legend here: MOS:LEGEND. Besides, this and this could serve you as examples of how it is done, given that they were recently promoted. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 12:22, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Pinging to make sure @TonyTheTiger has followed up about this comment. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• I'll take a look this weekend.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• @MPGuy2824, Hey man im josh, and Alavense:, I have added a symbol and changed to background color from bold text.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  The symbol should probably go before the reference? I'm not sure. Alavense (talk) 07:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  I have moved the symbol before the ref throughout this set of AAA Member of the Year articles.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

All in all, I feel the prose on this list should still be worked on, so I am afraid I will not support just yet. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 08:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• User:Alavense, can you provide any further thoughts/advice on the prose flaws?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 10:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I may not be able to help you here. I feel the text is not as clear as it could be: I've read it multiple times now and it still requires quite a lot of effort to get the gist of it. That's why I'd rather rely on the opinion of others here, so I will not either support or oppose. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 10:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

MPGuy2824

• In the four-division era table, you don't need to use all that styling for the header cells. Copy what you've used for the previous table and remove the explicit bolding of the column names.
  • I think I've done what you suggested.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
• "Stanford University has had the most women's basketball Academic All-America honorees (17..." The linked source says they have 18 honorees. Maybe update the number and the date.
  • Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
• "(1995 before there were separate awards by level)" -Add a comma after 1995.
  • Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
• Replace "&" with "and" everywhere, per MOS:AMP.
  • Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
• "Selected based on excellence in both classroom achievement and athletic competition performance by the College Sports Communicators (CSC, known before the 2022–23 school year as College Sports Information Directors of America, or CoSIDA), the Academic All-America program recognizes combined athletic and academic excellence of the nation's top student-athletes." This is quite a complicated sentence with sub-clauses. See if you can divide it.
  • I have streamlined the sentence.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• Aliyah Boston's rows sort weirdly (probably due to the flag). Please fix.
  • I got some help at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Sort irregularity.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
• That's it for now. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

This nomination has been open for over 2 months without any supports, and will be closed soon unless that changes. It looks like MPGuy2824 and Alavense's comments have been addressed, but were not pinged again. --PresN 01:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Support promotion. @PresN: one point: Is it a problem that multiple columns have the same header ("School") in the table? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

It's fine, I think it's clear that they're associated with the previous column. A more specific name could be nice, but I couldn't think of a short one. --PresN 16:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Staraction and ChrisTheDude: both supported the prior nomination of this "series" at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Football Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive2. The article from that nomination has greatly benefitted from advice here, which I have used to elevate the whole set of articles. If either of those editors would care to comment here that would be helpful. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark

Nominator(s): AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 02:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Additional background context for those unfamiliar with subject matter

Imagine traveling back 200 years in time. If you had done so to tell a young northern German prince that he would become the father-in-law of Europe, he probably would have said you were being nonsensical. After all, this German prince, whose parents were only distantly related to European royalty, came from a simple background. However, life had its surprises for this German prince. An extremely polemic debate arose over who would eventually rule his homeland and nearby Denmark. This German prince happened to have a wife with close family connections to Danish royalty. Consequently, with the support of multiple European nations, this prince was chosen to be the next king of Denmark. And when the time came in 1863, he and his wife became King Christian IX and Queen Louise. Nevertheless, it was not enough for Christian and his eldest son to secure their place on the Danish throne (especially in the eyes of Louise). First, Christian’s eldest daughter married the most eligible bachelor in all of Britain. Second, Greece needed a new king because they had shown the door to their last one. As a result, the Greeks victoriously voted to install Christian’s second son on their throne. Third, Christian’s second daughter married the most eligible bachelor in all of Russia. Fourth, Christian’s youngest daughter married the throneless heir of the German Kingdom of Hanover. Their shared bond was that both of their families had lost territory at the hands of an even stronger German kingdom. And finally, Christian’s youngest son spent his life sailing the seas with a French princess by his side. More than a century after Christian’s death, the story continues. Like an exponential function in mathematics, his grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and further progeny have increased the number of his descendants more quickly with each passing generation. These descendants have wed into royalty all around Europe. Because of this, six of the ten current heirs to European thrones can claim Christian IX as their ancestor! Can you guess which ones? Answer to trivia question Christian, Crown Prince of Denmark, Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway, Princess Elisabeth, Duchess of Brabant (Belgium), Guillaume, Hereditary Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Leonor, Princess of Asturias (Spain), and William, Prince of Wales (United Kingdom)

This list on Christian IX’s descendants helps to tell the story of a Danish king, his queen, his children, his grandchildren, and his great-grandchildren. I will note that this list was vetted both at Articles for creation and at Did you know.

This nomination is significant for various reasons. Personally, this is my first attempt to create a featured list on Wikipedia, and its success would demonstrate that I am capable of producing exemplary content. Second, I note that at the time of this nomination, only 10 royalty-related lists, and none on descendants of individuals, are of featured status. I hope that this article can serve as a model to all Wikipedia editors of what a great royal and genealogical list can look like. Finally, and above all, I hope to show a general audience that there is far more to (European) royalty than just the House of Windsor! Everyone is welcome to give feedback to make these goals a reality!

Thank you, AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 02:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Borsoka

Reading through the list and its sources, I am not convinced that it is fully in line with Wikipedia:Notability, and I think its subject is not verified by a reliable source. Borsoka (talk) 03:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree, its DYK was held for a very long time, and I wasn't entirely sure it passed WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. — 48JCL 12:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Very similar concerns were raised at the Did you know nomination. I responded to this inquiry by noting that Aronson 2000 and Lerche and Mandal 2003 established notability. The objector then conceded the point (in my eyes). Both of the aforementioned sources (albeit the 2020 version of Aronson's text) are also listed in the "Further reading" section of this article.

That being said, I will not object if the consensus of this discussion is to merge or delete this stand-alone list. If so, I ask that the tables be merged into the "Issue" (or corresponding) sections of the articles on Christian IX and his children. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank your for the links. I am not sure that works written by Theo Aronson are reliable sources. Miranda Carter did not write of Christian's descendants, but of three cousins who ruled three great powers during WWI. Lerche and Mandal do not seem to be historians. Borsoka (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

(unindenting to ensure collapse template works properly) So that my thought process in writing the article is clear both to you and to everyone else commenting, I will qualify the notability of the subject matter further:

Detailed explanation of (potential) reliability of Further reading texts

According to Theo Aronson's obituary in The Independent, he authored many texts on European royalty, including Napoleon and Queen Victoria. (As an aside, Aronson's obituary was written by Hugo Vickers, who was educated as a King's Scholar at Eton College and has himself written royal biographies, including one on Princess Alice of Battenberg and another on Prince Edward, Duke of Kent) Moreover, Aronson's obituary notes that his specific work on Christian IX's descendants that I cited has been described by Steven Runciman as "readable, judicious and well-informed". Even if Aronson's reliability is borderline, Runciman's opinion carries weight in the former's favor: the latter was educated at Eton College (like Vickers), a history scholar at Trinity College, Cambridge, and above all, extensively wrote on the history of the Crusades, which Cambridge University Press considers "one of the great classics of English historical writing". It appears that Anna Lerche (now Anna von Lowzow) is a film director (link in Danish), and Marcus Mandal is a movie director as well. However, their work on Christian IX's descendants that I cited has been made into a documentary that was shown by the Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR), as noted in this DR press release (link in Danish, you will need a DR subscription to view the English translation). Mandal's online information also notes that said documentary was shown in over 150 countries. Moreover, while I am unsure if this affects reliability, Lerche and Mandal's work is also publicly available online (link in Danish) via the Nota bibliotek, a library run by the Danish Ministry of Culture to make texts available to people with disabilities. Finally, I cited Beéche and Hall 2014 in the "Further reading" section. As Beéche's biography notes, he has a degree in history from San Diego State University (SDSU), and his honors thesis was chosen as the best history thesis written at SDSU in 1992. Moreover, Beéche has founded Eurohistory, which has, among other topics, published books on the dynastic connections of the Russian imperial family, the Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg, and a memoir written by Andreas, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha himself. With respect to Hall, according to her publisher Amberley Publishing, she is a historian that has written on Russian and British royalty and contributes to Majesty Magazine. Furthermore, Hall's publisher has sponsored the (United Kingdom's) National History Book Competition.

Although I personally believe these backgrounds on the authors sufficiently qualify the topic for a Wikipedia article, I will leave it to this page's consensus to see if this is truly the case. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 17:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

With these sources, surely these should replace the "Royal Family Tree" sources (which appear to be SPS) could be replaced, right? I am still not going to warrant an oppose, but I would suggest withdrawal, there is a lot of work that could be done. 48JCL public (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I have removed all of the self-published sources in the article that I could find, and I have replaced the citations with references to more reliable sources. If I missed a source and/or I should still use the Further reading texts more exhaustively in the article, please let me know. Also, with respect to WP:NOTDATABASE, the only criterion I could realistically see being used against this nomination is #3, as creative works, song lyrics, and software updates are not listed in this article. To make all of the lifespan information encyclopedically relevant, I have written prose that accompanies each table elaborating on the family life of Christian/Louise and the families of their children. Please let me know if that prose should be more comprehensive. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 00:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

48JCL

• Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |[[Name]] becomes !scope=row |[[Name]]. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions.
  • All "primary" columns in the tables have been defined. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
    • Adding a minor note on to this- the row and col scopes by default bold the text in those headers, so since you did so as well right now they're double-bolded, which should be fixed. --PresN 13:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

      Thank you for noting this. I have removed the excess bolding both in the table headers and elsewhere in the article. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 01:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think a list should have "This article describes the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of Christian and Louise." at the end of the list

@48JCL: Could you please suggest how this sentence should be replaced? Per WP:SALLEAD, the inclusion criteria of a stand-alone list should make a direct statement about the inclusion criteria. This is the purpose of the text you quoted. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I have rewritten that sentence to attempt to make the inclusion criteria as explicit as possible without actively self-referencing the article. Please let me know if I should further modify the text. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 23:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Issue with sources

I am noticing Blogspot and Wordpress being cited. What makes them reliable? More to come. 48JCL 12:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I have replaced the Blogspot and WordPress sources. That being said, my rationale for including them was that the specific authors appeared to have professional credentials in their field. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but that does not exactly make it reliable, still being a SPS. I'm still not sure whether or not this article should be supported, but thanks for addressing my concerns. 48JCL 17:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support from Dylan620

Hi Andrew – I've just started working on a review that will focus primarily on prose and images, and should be done by the end of the day Monday at the latest. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

A quick update: while I have been making quite a bit of progress with this review, I've unfortunately been slowed down by real-life stuff, so I'm running a bit behind schedule. I get out of work fairly early tomorrow, so knock on wood, I should be able to finish in the next 24 hours or so. I do have a few preliminary comments:

• File:Princess Dagmar of Denmark.jpg – the source URL provides a completely different image
• File:Louise Princess Royal.jpg – the source just circles back to the ENWP page for the upload
• File:Princess Princess Maria of Greece and Denmark with her parents and siblinsg.jpg – uploader partial-blocked from the article and draft namespaces for copyright violations
• File:GustavDenmark.jpg – uploader indefinitely site-blocked for copyright violations

Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Welp, I thought I was nearly finished, and then I realized I would have to look through a 119-page PDF to verify sourcing for one of the images, which is missing its page number on the Commons upload page. I recall seeing at least a couple other similar cases elsewhere in the listicle. Unfortunately, that means this review is going to take quite a bit longer than I had anticipated. I'm going to try to complete it within the next five to seven days – please accept my apologies. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your work so far in reviewing the images, Dylan. Please let me know when you have completed your review. In the meantime, I have made the following changes:

• I have replaced the portrait of Dagmar with an image of the coat of arms of Denmark at the time she died (to be consistent with the entries on other royals with no available portrait).
• I have replaced the portrait of Louise with the one used in her article's lede infobox.
• I have removed the portrait of George I's family altogether. In any case, his youngest son, Christopher, was not yet born when the image was taken.
• I have likewise replaced the portrait of Gustav with an image of the coat of arms of Denmark at the time he died. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 03:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi again Andrew – I've finally finished the review, and I'm sorry it took so long. This was probably the most challenging image review I've done since I started tackling them earlier this year, since I'm not super familiar with European public domain laws and needed to give myself something of a crash course. The majority of images check out for licensing and sourcing. I took it upon myself to add missing US public domain tags on Commons in cases where I felt comfortable doing so (see my edits there). A few images are sourced to offline refs, which I'm choosing to accept in good faith. However, there are some issues:

• I am pleased that every image has alt text. However, in the slot where Gustav's portrait was replaced with the coat of arms of Denmark, the old alt text describing Gustav is still being used.
  • On that note, is a "portrait of a coat of arms" really a portrait? This is super nitpicky, but the portrait article states that a portrait is a painting, photograph, sculpture, or other artistic representation of a person, in which the face is always predominant. Every coat of arms usage here has alt text that describes the coat as a portrait.
• File:Christian IX of Denmark and family 1862.jpg – uploader partially blocked on ENWP from article and draft spaces. (Coincidentally, this is the same user who uploaded the now-removed photo of George I's family.) This image seems to be an alternate version of File:Christian IX Denmark and family 1862.jpg, which, per that file's description page, was apparently part of a legal dispute between the NPG and the WMF. Maybe I'm worrying too much, but I would be wary of including either image here.
• File:Family Photo.jpg – The source URL is dead. There is an archived link available, but it's not loading the images on my end.
• File:Alexander russia.jpg – The source URL is dead.
• File:Ernstaugusthannover.jpg – Uploader indefinitely site-blocked from ENWP for copyright violations. (This is the same user who uploaded the now-removed photo of Gustav.)
• File:Xenia, russian grand duchess.jpg – The source URL does not contain this image.

The prose is good overall, but I do have a few queries/suggested adjustments:

• Moreover, he nearly abdicated... – I don't think the "moreover" is needed here; indeed, this could probably be merged with the previous sentence by using a semicolon.
• Moreover, through her charity work... – I don't think the "moreover" is needed here.
• Is there anything about Valdemar that could be added to the second paragraph of §Children?
• They then married in October 1866 – "Then" feels extraneous here.
• Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael, along with Nicholas's five children, were killed during the Russian Revolution. – I think this would read more smoothly as "Nicholas, Michael, and the former's five children were killed during the Russian Revolution."

Quite impressive work overall, Andrew. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 03:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dylan620: Thank you very much for your extensive review. Here is how I have addressed your feedback. Please let me know if anything else should be done.

For the images:

• I have changed the alt text for Gustav's image to better describe the coat of arms. Moreover, I have rewritten the alt text descriptors for all of the coat of arms images to avoid mention of portraits.
• I have removed the family portrait for Christian IX, given the concerns you have described.
• I have likewise removed the family portrait for Frederick VIII.
• I have replaced the image of Alexander with one of the pertinent Russian coat of arms, given the lack of other appropriate free-use images that I could locate.
• I have likewise replaced the image of Ernest Augustus with one of the pertinent Hanoverian coat of arms.
• I have likewise replaced the image of Xenia with one of the pertinent Russian coat of arms.

For the prose:

• I have removed "Moreover" from that sentence on Christian IX's background.
• I have likewise removed "Moreover" from that sentence on Louise's background.
• I have added some information on Valdemar in the second paragraph of the Children section, namely on how family ties influenced him to reject the Bulgarian throne.
• I have removed "then" from that sentence on Dagmar and Alexander III's marriage.
• I have rewritten that sentence on the deaths of Nicholas II, his children, and Michael as you have suggested.

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 01:38, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Everything looks good to me now, Andrew, and I'm happy to support on prose and images. For what it's worth, I believe this would be the first geneology FL if promoted. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Placeholder

• I aim to do a full review, but looking at the lead initially, the sentence "The families of Christian and Louise, their children, and their grandchildren are described below." should be removed. The fact that the article is going to cover this is completely obvious from the title, so you don't need to state it in the prose. That will leave a lead of just three sentences, which is far too short for a FL. While the lead should provide a summary of the article, it should be more detailed than just three sentences -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for your initial comments, ChrisTheDude. I have removed the last sentence of the lede per your feedback. As for that section's length, I will be sure to rewrite the prose to provide a more comprehensive summary. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Nominations for removal

30 Rock season 1

Notified: Jamie jca, WikiProject Television

Unfortunately I feel that several older 30 Rock items are failing modern standards. I am beginning here as I feel it is a clear cut example. I am nominating this for featured list removal because I feel that it fails criterias 3 and 5. It lacks a development section as detailed in MOS:TVPRODUCTION. The awards section features no prose and points to a separate list which covers other content in addition to season one. Adtionally neither a caption nor alt text is provided when needed. Lastly a possible style problem with the relevent episodes not being linked in the cast section. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Remove I've said a time or two that most season articles should actually be a process for WP:FAC and not FLC. I do understand that a large majority of these are were promoted quite a while ago, and that in recent times, they gone through the proper channels, but I also wouldn't be against a mass exodus of these articles as FL's. They tend to follow the format of a standard article more that of a list. Anyhow, within this "list" specifically: as the initial commenter stated, I'm largely noticing a lack of compliance with MOS:TV in the case of article layout, listing the number of episodes characters appeared in, and poorly written episode summaries that feel more like promotional taglines than they do summaries. There's also just a few general MOS failures, such as WP:BLUESEA violations and the use of {{Quote box}}. I'd be more inclined to leave a full review if I see progress being made here. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Hmm... potential hot take but I don't see any major issues. Sourcing seems fine, so I'm assuming the nomination is discussing FLCR #3(a) more than 3(b), and 3(a) is focused on including all key items in the set the list covers (which this does – it lists all of the episodes). A production section would be nice, but I don't interpret MOS:TVPRODUCTION as requiring one and I suspect a large portion of the information would just reiterate the cast and crew sections. An awards section that would just duplicate information from the show's full list of awards may not be necessary, either – just a few sentences added to cover its major awards (Emmys, Golden Globes, major guilds...). As to FLCR #5, I think the only issue mentioned is the images per 5(b) and 5(c), which can be easily addressed. Basically, I think the page does its job as a list. Whether season articles should be considered as lists or articles is a bit out of scope for this, at least to me. Please correct me if I've misunderstood the issues raised in the nomination. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  @OlifanofmrTennant: Would you mind clarifying a bit? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, a few sentences would be preferable over nothing for the awards. If you look at it as List of episodes it fits the requirements, but its more than a list of episodes. Future devolopement have raised the bar for what a season article should be and this list no longer meets those standereds. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  Just pinging you because it was a while between your reply and the above and I wanted to make sure you saw it @RunningTiger123. Hey man im josh (talk) 09:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yep, thanks for the ping. I think a lot of the issues stem from the issue of seasons being split between GA/FA and FL, and while I'm fine with removing this FL if the consensus is that standards have increased, I think we're going to need a wider discussion about what season articles should include (i.e., are they primarily lists or articles?). RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  @RunningTiger123: I agree that it's something that may need to be more ironed out, as there's also a similar issue with seasons of The Office. Perhaps this is a discussion that should be held at a wider location to determine whether season articles are better classified as lists or articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  For anyone interested, I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured lists#FLs for television seasons on this topic. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  Given the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured lists#FLs for television seasons, I think this list should be delisted. If it could be moved to GA I'd be in favor of letting it be, but there are enough incomplete sections that I don't think that will happen. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)