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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

Information on the process

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What may be nominated for deletion here:

  • Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS: (in the unlikely event it ever contains a page that is not a redirect or one of the 5 disambiguation pages) and the various Talk: namespaces
  • Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
  • Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

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Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace
  • If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}}. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?
  • Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace
  • Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}.
  • Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first.
  • Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion.
  • User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion.
  • Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages
  • Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere.
  • Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages
  • It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable.
  • WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication.
  • Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion
  • Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems.
  • Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD
  • Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

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How to list pages for deletion

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Shortcut

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.
Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}}

or

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.
If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.
Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase
    Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
  • Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
  • Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
  • Save the page
II.
Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

  • Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
  • Insert this text:
{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Please use an edit summary such as
    Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
  • Save the page.
III.
Add a line to MfD.

Follow   this edit link   and at the top of the list add a line:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".
  • Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
    Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
  • If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add
{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.
  • If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
    For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add

    {{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~

    to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as

    Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
  • If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

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XFD backlog
V Jul Aug Sep Oct Total
CfD 0 0 0 0 0
TfD 0 0 0 4 4
MfD 0 0 5 1 6
FfD 0 0 0 2 2
RfD 0 0 0 36 36
AfD 0 0 0 3 3

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions

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A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

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Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

October 15, 2024

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Wikipedia:Twenteen Years

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Wikipedia:Twenteen Years (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Article for topic already exists in mainspace, incorrect use of project namespace FifthFive (talk) 02:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - This is a copy of a mainspace article that has been nominated for deletion (as noted by nominator). It may have been copied to project space because the guidelines explicitly forbid copies of mainspace articles to user space, and do not explicitly forbid copies of mainspace articles to project space. However, it is a redundant content fork, and is a misuse of project space. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 14, 2024

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Draft:What to do when leaving an abusive relationship

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Draft:What to do when leaving an abusive relationship (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal. Folkezoft (talk) 18:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - See Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. This is a draft that will probably never be accepted into article space. Any benefit from trashing these hopeless drafts would be exceeded by the burden on the community (and in particular on the regular MFD editors) of reviewing large numbers of drafts to delete them. The policy on what Wikipedia is not lists various types of articles that are not allowed in article space. In draft space, we rely on the AFC reviewers not to accept them. In reviewing new drafts to assign them to categories and WikiProjects, it isn't necessary to nominate them for deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete per WP:NOTGUIDE, only because of the sensitive nature of the topic. I generally would agree with Robert, however, we are not in the business of offering advice about leaving potentially abusive relationships (e.g. someone finding this and following it could potentially suffer real-life harm if the advice is poor; better we have a clear collective conscience in this case). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 01:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:AAAAAA!

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Wikipedia:AAAAAA! (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Page serving no obvious purpose. This page, whose entire text consists of "AAAAAA!" just as the title implies, was created in March with the {{humor}} template on it from the outset -- but precisely because anybody could just add that template to absolutely anything in projectspace (e.g. failed drafts, total nonsense, hoaxes, etc.) that they wanted to "immunize" against deletion, the use of that template has traditionally required a consensus to be established that the page warranted retention on the grounds of humor.
Then a few days later the creator tried to add it to a redlinked (i.e. non-existent) category for "Articles that their creator doesn't remember writing", before immediately reverting themselves within less than a minute -- and then the page saw no further activity for the next seven months until last Thursday, when a different editor with no prior connection to it tried, for no obvious reason, to unrevert it back into the redlinked category with the edit summary "hummus" (i.e. no genuine explanation of why they were doing it, or how they even found the page in the first place given that absolutely nothing in Wikipedia links to it.)
So, basically, this is just silliness that's only inviting unconstructive editing rather than serving any purpose. Bearcat (talk) 18:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Delete - The nutshell to the Project namespace guideline says: Project pages are for information or discussion about Wikipedia.. This has nothing to do with Wikipedia. However, the nominator, User:Bearcat, forgot to notify the originator of this page that they were nominating it for deletion. Since User:The Master of Hedgehogs is a current editor, they should be notified, and have a right to explain or at least try to explain what their purpose is for creating this page. I will change this to a Delete if the originator is notified and does not give an explanation of this page, or gives an explanation that doesn't make sense. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As the creator, I never wanted to "immunize" this page from deletion. The Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hedgehogs) 15:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete serves little purpose. what an odd article, I must say. Babysharkboss2!! (Yes, this is indeed...a JoJo reference.) 17:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Joel A. Ahumada L.

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User:Joel A. Ahumada L. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Appears to be an unattributed machine translation of Steve Hanke with broken formatting. Flounder fillet (talk) 09:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 12, 2024

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TimedText:It's just a burning memory - sample.ogg.en.srt

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TimedText:It's just a burning memory - sample.ogg.en.srt (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This is the subtitle track for the song "It's Just a Burning Memory", which samples the song "Heartaches". Though the latter song does have lyrics, the former does not, making this TimedText page rather confusing. The syllable-by-syllable additions are also rather poor for accessibility, but that can be handled through regular editing even if this is kept. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 22, 2024

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Aramea
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Aramea

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Aramea (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WikiProject Aramea was created in 2015, and through viewing the edit history, has rarely seen any edits or discussion on creation or editing of articles since that time. Additionally, many of its formerly active members were sockpuppet accounts of users that have since been blocked indefinitely. The WikiProject itself is almost an exact carbon copy of WikiProject Assyria, with the same sections, graphics, and layout. I am proposing that the WikiProject be deleted as it essentially acts as a content fork, which is one of Wikipedia's criteria for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surayeproject3 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would normally suggest keeping archive as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Dealing with inactive WikiProjects..... However reviewing the Page's history it seems that this is all shock puppetry.... so deletion is fine nothing to save here. Moxy🍁 18:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't think it being a "content fork" is a good justification for deletion given that only really applies to articles, and all it is is made from the same template. The real reason for deletion would be that it is inactive and hasn't done much, plus the sockpuppets, I think: the relevant policy is:
Looking myself there has been 1 non-bot comment on the talk page, 8 years ago, by someone who was not a member of the wikiproject. There are no members and because there is no category for WikiProject aramea articles, it is unclear how many articles are associated with it. Support deletion given if someone actually wants to make this wikiproject they can make another one, and it does seem to meet the criterion of not having grown much since its founding. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. For future similar interests, engage with Wikipedia:WikiProject Syria. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Old business

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October 7, 2024

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Draft:KYHT

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Draft:KYHT (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Another blatant hoax. Someone should talk to this editor. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mvcg66b3r - The follower of Genseric has been blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an old page. It was a redirect in 2006. It was converted to a dab page is May 2023. User:Dan arndt improperly draftified it today, Wikipedia:DRAFTNO. What should have he done? I think the problem is disruptive edits by Oseangov (talk · contribs), and the answer to this is not draftification and mfd of the draft. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SmokeyJoe: you are absolutely correct in that I should have more diligent in checking the article's history. For some reason it came up as newly created on the NPP. I'm prepared to take your guidance on this one - the fact that it is now a MfD makes it harder to revert the draft status. Dan arndt (talk) 09:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You caught a bad page, which is good. Disruptive edits of redirects is a problem and can be hard to sort out. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 23, 2024

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User:Michael Jester/St. Louis Cardinals all-time roster (I–J)

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User:Michael Jester/St. Louis Cardinals all-time roster (I–J) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Delete; abandoned project already covered by St. Louis Cardinals all-time roster. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a reason to delete someone else’s usersubpage. Redirect. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Michael Jester/St. Louis Cardinals all-time roster (A)

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User:Michael Jester/St. Louis Cardinals all-time roster (A) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Delete; abandoned project which is already covered by St. Louis Cardinals all-time roster. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a reason to delete someone else’s usersubpage. Redirect. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SmokeyJoe, thank you. I'm still figuring things out here. I'm not as familiar with articles discussion policies; I'm more involved in Templates and Categories. If you think that is the best course then I agree with you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Omnis Scientia. Thank you. You’ve got a lot of edits in your two years here. Deletion is much more readily done with templates and categories, in my view because they are not real content but transitionary support of content.
I advise you to get experience at WP:AfD, it’s a good place to learn stuff, from the other volunteers there. At AfD, things that don’t belong, in any form, in mainspace, get deleted.
At MfD, addressing userspace content, there is no need for the content to ever belong in any form in mainspace. I see MfD as only usually deleting deleting things that should never have been created in the first place, like a copy of something else serving no purpose and potentially creating future confusion. In this case, the page has a long history of edits, and was in mainspace for a long time. The edits are content edits, and we usually don’t delete content edits without good reason. If we consider the old content to now be redundant to something better, redirecting is a nice neat way of packaging it, without restricting anyone’s access to their past edits. As redirecting is easily undone, it doesn’t require a formal discussion to consider doing it. If it’s old and redundant, just redirect. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 19, 2024

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Wikipedia talk:Tip of the day/Header

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Wikipedia talk:Tip of the day/Header (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This is a horrible "template" that makes the simple process of adding or following discussions on a talk page, extremely hard. It's also a duplicate of the Wikipedia:Tip of the day for no reason at all. Compare the current version of Wikipedia talk:Tip of the day to this version. While projects can style their project pages how they want (within reason), the talk pages should be as simple as needed. Gonnym (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you raised this on a talk page anywhere? SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 18, 2024

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​
All prior XfDs for this page:

Unclear what has changed since Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound. The few new editors that just signed up to Wikipedia is hardly a sign this project will survive. At best that needs to be a task force (if even that). Gonnym (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep due to no deletion rational proffered by the nomination. This should be a talk page discussion. The claim, This project has now attracted about 20 editors, and we've made a significant contribution to wikipedia. Please see the campaign here: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/southern_african_music__sound/programs, should be discussed on the talk page, not at MfD. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The deletion rationale is the same as for the first deletion nomination in March 2024, which was closed as delete. The work of a WikiProject is normally done at its talk page. The talk page of this project had 159 pageviews in the year 2024, which is less than 1 daily pageview, and 113 of those pageviews were on 18 March 2024, in connection with the previous MFD. The project page itself shows 399 pageviews in the year 2024, or approximately 1 daily pageview. and 117 of those pageviews were on 18 March 2024. The activity for both the project page and the project talk page is in two clusters, the first between 13 March 2024 and 1 April 2024, and the second between 18 September 2024 and 20 September 2024. It appears that this project and its project talk page were entirely unused between 2 April 2024 and 17 September 2024. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Neither the deletion rationale or the circumstances are the same. The March 2024 MfD was not closed as delete. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 6, 2024

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Popular pages

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Popular pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Useless only has 1 page and apparently only has ever had 1 page as per page history Isla🏳️‍⚧ 23:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It used to have most of the pages in the projectspace back in 2021. Hasn't been touched by anyone since 2021, and since then the bot malfunctioned and trimmed it down to exactly 1 page and I doubt there's any interest within the project to bring it back. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed discussions

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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates

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